Consumer Reports: Autopilot and Full Self Driving

not just Tesla that experiences Phantom braking, as I've driven 4 different manufacturers safety versions where it occurs. Presumably the rationale is that better to Phantom break then not to break at all while a driver is inattentive.
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Reading CR is like reading Motor Trend. Lots of prose, little in the way of facts. Almost as much fun and less accurate than political polls. I long ago abandoned CR. My wife wanted it, I've read two recent issues. I wouldn't waste my money. Just as I respect a poll that publishes its methodology, I want quantification so I can develop my own ranking based on my own criteria.

TSS-P 2.n is good enough that in my first hour I was using it and on the second I was trusting it on an interstate. I have no interest in using a computer controlled drive assist to completely control the car in urban driving. In a dicey situation, I want to make the choice. I've done it wrong but also right thousands of times so I trust myself to be paying attention. So don't give me a limited route test, give me the results that occur when a deer jumps out, you see a runner on the road at dusk dressed in black, etc. If I'm forced to watch for those edge cases, then I will. If I think the computer and sensors are doing it I probably won't.

Still the Tesla statistics are impressive. Not that I'd pay $10k more than the already $20+k more a Tesla would cost me.

 

seems that between the PC's speech translation & my failure to double check - it's bound to happen again. irony - i'd re-done the post, even prior to reading this one.

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Yet it is always the same Tesla Fans that rises to the defense for Tesla out of all the members of Priuschat. Now I know I am the only one vocal for Mirai, but does it not make you wonder why so little interest in Tesla within such a large base of members??

 

not so, I've chided against Tesla's shortcomings on several threads here on PC, as well as TeslaMotorsClub. By the same token, if I got on the TMC site & started boasting about the electric Porsche - being greater, I would expect push back. So it shouldn't be any surprise with the hydrogen car shortcomings, that there would be pushed back as well. Surprised that's such a mystery.

 

But where are all the Tesla fans at on this site if Tesla is so great?!

 

Not braking could break the driver though.

 

weather former prius owners keep in contact here or not is not relevant. One of the original members, Daniel, when he got his first Tesla, I don't think he ever came back here to PC. others like myself, or Bob, Etc, still share our experiences with the Prius noobs or with people inquiring how to solve varying problems with their cars. Why expect current or former Prius owners that now have tesla or ford or vw owners to be here - or not .... is that relevant?
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I honor my Prius roots, having owned 2. I would not be this far into EV's yet if it were not for my Prius and Prime experience. I am keenly aware that some here look down their noses at me for having sold my Prime and ordering a Tesla. That's their hangup, not mine. I think my path to Tesla was quite natural. I still hang around because I've been here since 2009 and still help when I can. No I don't reply to every post, but I read almost all of them, always did.

PS, I also use the ignore button when obvious trolls arise. It works great.

 

It’s relevant to the number of members on this site who don’t give a damn about Tesla.

 

Why would it matter to them?

 

It doesn’t, that’s my point. Tesla is not king of the EV world as much as you would like it to be. The President of Toyota yesterday put it in prospective of how far Tesla still has to go to be anything like Toyota in scale. 500,000 annual vehicle sales is a drop in the bucket for Toyota.

 

Have nothing against Tesla per say, just not my choice for several reasons. I do take issue against members on this site who misrepresent Toyota products and continue to bad mouth FCEV vehicles, as they have a vested interest in Tesla stock. No troll here - just voicing my opinions and keeping it real.

 

You were the one asking where all the Tesla fans are on Priuschat, and said it was relevant to the Tesla detractors here.

I don't own Tesla stock, and was only interested in their cars when they were the only BEV with the range for my commute. I don't care for nearly everything being controlled through a touch screen, that they don't have shifter paddles for controlling regen, nor what their DIY repair policy looks like.

I am against hydrogen for personal cars because building out the infrastructure for the US will cost billions, if not trillions, and those that would profit from selling hydrogen cars want someone else to pay for it.

 

That’s my point

 

Comment was not directed to you. You have always stated facts.

 

Maybe reconsider that line of think. How long ago was it that toyota FINALLY got to 500K vehicles in the U.S. ...... compared to the time line of millions? Might just want to take pause, thinking about the company that's already worth billions more than the maker of the Murai ? rather than continually bashing them, primarily because Musk (now the wealthiest person in the world) said current hydrogen cell cars are “mind-boggling stupid”
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Hydrogen is here and growing worldwide nothing stupid about it. And for Musk his Top of the world could be short lived with competitors like NIO.