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Dealership being vague about inverter problem

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by pirateyoho, May 30, 2017.

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    measure it with the car off, after it has been off a few hours.
     
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    When the car is in ready the car is on and should be charging, it will say READY on the dashboard.
    if the engine is on or not does not matter. The inverter gets its power from the hybrid battery and D.C. D.C. Converter takes the battery 230 volts down to 14 to charge the 12 volt battery.
    Make car ready what's the volts across the front jump points. Should be 14 volts give or take a .5 volt.
    Just has 12 somethings wrong most likely missing the small black 12 volt sense wire that goes to the inverter via a sense circuit. Theres 2 black wires connected to the pos post on the battery a big black wire and that small black wire.
     
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    Here's a (potentially) interesting new observation today. When I first turned my car on, the charging system warning light was on, but it turned off after a few minutes; when it did turn off, at the same time my air conditioning got much colder and ramped up the fan speed. Could this at all help narrow down where the problem could be?
     
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    What is the difference between READY and "totally running"? If in fact you measured 11.9V when READY, that is evidence the DC/DC converter has failed. That may be an intermittent condition.
     
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    Sorry, I misspoke. 11.9 V was the first reading I took with the car in diagnostic mode (looking at the voltage displayed on the MFD, not with an external voltmeter). So the car would have been in ACC mode then, not READY. It then shot up to about 13.7 V once I hit the power button again (while pressing down on the brake) and put the car in READY.
     
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    13.7 is normal when the car is in READY. Bottom line sounds like your 12 volt battery is jacked up. Replacement asap before you blow up the Inverter.
     
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    It's just strange because when I took it to the dealership and initially had the codes read, they filled out the full vehicle inspection checklist and indicated that my 12V battery performance was good and the cables/terminals/mountings were all fine.

    I feel like I'm running out of things to rule out, but the warning lights are still consistent. So frustrating.
     
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    In fact, the only thing they found wrong on the inspection was that my front brake pads were 2mm and need replacing. But that shouldn't have anything to do with a P0A08 code...
     
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    It sounds like something weird is going on with the inverter - like perhaps the crash on the rear has loosened a wire and now it occasionally disconnects, causing the inverter to stop intermittently. You might try purchasing a one of those voltmeters that plugs into the cigarette lighter and monitor the voltage whenever the warning light comes on.
     
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    Thanks for the suggestion. I've driven with the car in diagnostic mode while the warning lights were on to monitor the battery voltage during my usual commute and didn't see anything unusual that day, but something that plugs into my cigarette lighter may be more practical for keeping an eye on it for longer periods of time.
     
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    Scan Gauge is very helpful. Its got a good form factor that you can monitor water temp and 12 volts and mileage while driving and it can read and clear codes including hybrid codes. Very good investment.
    There's torque app for android and there's also a mini vci which is most inclusive as it has Toyota tecjhtream software but requires a laptop.
     
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    Be aware after 10 years on this site it seems the dealer is incapable of properly testing the Prius 12 volt battery. Countless people have gotten the ok on there 12 volt battery only to be stranded later with a dead 12. If there's even the slightest thought the 12 may be bad freakin' replace it.
     
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    I bought one of those cigarette lighter voltmeters and have been monitoring my car for a couple of days. For the most part, the readings matched what I posted earlier; ACC mode would read in the upper 11-low 12 Vs, then READY mode would read 13.7-13.8 V, and that voltage would be maintained for the duration of the trip. Today, however, I noticed that in READY mode, the voltage reading I got was 14.8-15.0 V, and that was maintained for nearly the entirety of the drive. I also noticed that when the voltage was this high, the charging system failure light was no longer lit on the MFD, but the hybrid system failure MFD light, and the (!) and VSC dash lights remained. Toward the end of the trip, the charging system failure light came back on, and I peeked at the voltmeter and saw it had dropped back down to 13.7 V.

    Any ideas? It's seems as if my car thinks 13.7 V in READY is too low and must mean the inverter is having trouble, but I thought that was considered normal? Whereas 14.8-15.0 V seems way too high.
     
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    Have you checked the calibration of the plug in volt meter against a known reliable hand held volt meter? It is possible that the plug in volt meter is reading too high by 0.6 V. in which case your low voltage would be more like 13.1 which would be marginally low, and those high readings would be about right.

    The high readings means that the voltage sense is detecting a flat battery, so cranks up the voltage to charge it. 13.2-13.6 means the voltage sense is detecting a full battery so just trickle charges it.
     
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    I don't own a hand held voltmeter, but the voltages I was reading on this plug in did agree with the voltages displayed on the MFD in diagnostic mode, and with the voltages displayed by my OBDII scanner/Torque app.
     
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    Ah ok, the MDF reading is about 0.2 - 0.3 V lower than if you read directly at the battery, but matches the voltage when read at the ACC plug. I don't know why.
     
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    So if it's detecting a flat battery, is replacing the 12V the most likely fix? I replaced the 12V battery back in November, so that's an awfully short life, but I do also only ever take short trips, which isn't supposed to be the best for auxiliary battery longevity.
     
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    Not necessarily. You could invest in a modern 12 V battery smart charger with AGM setting (if you don't have one already) and try charging it up. You could then put it on the charger anytime the car is not going to be used for several days.

    However, you may have other issues going on with the car to cause the battery to go flat.
     
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    ^ This. Our car often sits idle for a couple of days. I'll hook up my smart charger, just leave it on. After charging session is done (say in 4~5 hours) it'll just send occasional pulses, to maintain.
     
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    Ever had your HV battery fan cleaned?my two cents.