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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by HPrimeAdvanced, Nov 10, 2017.

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    Oh you Michigonians and your ICE!! Come out here to Socal, where you can run into suicidal skateboarders, and melt in sizzling sun!! We also put out some of the world's finest Smog, this side of China or India. We're also way overdue for "The Big One" earthquake!!
    We definitely NEVER see the ICE come on!! Damn!!

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    I think it's probably like maglev trains, it all sounds good and a few miles of test road will be built, but it will be decades before it becomes practical. Maglev for example has been around for decades but so far there are less than 40 miles of total operational maglev passenger lines worldwide.
     
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    Yeah, but there are FANTASTIC bullet trains that have run at super high speeds in France and Japan, where dreams can still come true! It's our turn now!

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    I'm hoping the NIMBYs here don't derail the plans for the Dallas-Houston bullet train. It's all privately funded, the trip will take 90 minutes one way, and one of the partners is JR Central, one of the world's most experienced bullet train (shinkansen) operators.

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    I give it a 50% chance of being built and if it is I bet it will be working well before california high speed rail is done.
    Full speed ahead for a Texas bullet train? Lawmakers let the market decide — for now | Transportation | Dallas News
     
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    A very exciting item: I believe Colorado is building a stretch of test road equipped with Inductive Power!! Can you imagine driving with a properly set up Hybrid plug-in that could get inductive electricity from the freeway, til you leave the special lane and revert back to battery and/or ICE power!! Payment would be like the Toll-road electronic system.The road could get it's energy from renewables, and we're on our way to a better world!

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    There is one inductive recharger manufacturer already making deliveries for plugins such as the leaf, volt, Tesla, Fords Etc.

    Meet Plugless | The Wireless EV Charging Station

    Problem is, they have a decent amount of loss 10%-12% .... & in areas with already straining grid infrastructure, that amount of wasted juice is not tolerable enough to offset the convenience. Additionally the units are way more than 2X as expensive as a good old-fashioned wired L2. iirc, the inductive units I'm thinking of can only output up to almost 7kw. The dual 240V Model S's can receive up to 20kW's ... so inductive tech is almost a full ⅓ the capability of a wired L2's potential. Considering all that, yeah, it's still quite a ways off.
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    If you ask for it, (enough people) technology will eventually figure out a solution. Look at what they're talking about with "solid state" batteries. This part of the future looks exciting!!


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    And I'm not focusing on stationary charging; I want charging from the road as you go!!
     
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    I'm definitely loving our inductive cooktop! It'll interesting to see how the industry delineates between capacitors & solid state batteries once/if they're brought to market.
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    If it's anything like wireless charging, it'll mean you just lose charge less quickly.
    Seriously, let's consider in one hour. Maybe 10,000 cars on the highway, each using 10 kW. Break even would require 10^5 kW. At 100 V, that's 1 million amps. Even with perfect 100% transfer and perfect weather, at 25c/kWh, my calculations give me a minimum municipal cost of $25,000 per hour. More realistically would be double that. So, tactfully, that's about $5 per car per hour. Presumably electric cars would pay a higher fee for charging on the road. Thoughts?
     
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    They don't have to run on the grid - except for the time they're saving their own traction pack running on the inductive streem. As soon as they jump to other streets they could be using their own reserve. But it might be way more economical in quantity, to do like trolley cars & have some type of retractable electricity pick-up shoe. Ahh - the future .... now if we could only get that crushing trillion-dollar national debt under control.
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    My Electric Roads would have to be powered by orbiting solar collectors (giant 10's of miles "sheets") that would be able to operate 24/7. The beauty is no waste products; they could be funded by private investment from current oil companies and/or Middle East oil producers. They'd require maintenance, setup, etc. Think of the all the jobs to be created!! Another power source would be solar, geo-thermal, tidal, wind... Only one lane to be powered. If induction not feasible now, set up direct street connect. The plug-in hybrid car is perfect for this probably very long transition to powered roads.

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    I agree that we are likely to see this in major corridors someday. Would allow for smaller batteries.
     
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    It means the authorities having jurisdiction would have to start taking infrastructure seriously and maintain it properly.
    Seems they have a hard time even keeping lines painted on the roads around here and let's not talk about tire swallowing size potholes.

    Great idea, almost impossible to execute at this time with the lack of maintenance our roadways see.
     
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    I agree that the current environment, particularly in (D)umb (C)lods land, is hostile to intelligent use of our taxes at this time; I am, like my parents still (foolishly?) optimistic.

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    How long before the road is penetrated by salt and the wiring deteriorates? We know what salt does to rebar already.
     
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    It's all about technology! I believe the Germans are working on something like that, and then there's that new powerhouse, China. I'm hopeful, but sadly don't think I'll be around to see it, or a lunar colony,

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    I imagine we will first see it in places where salt doesn't need to be put down and probably on toll roads, which is a good thing since it will be kept up better.
     
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