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Engine Block Heater Data Collection Experiment

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by walter Lee, Nov 23, 2011.

  1. walter Lee

    walter Lee Hypermiling Padawan

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    I've ordered a 400W engine block heater (EBH, PU140-00900) for my 2010 Toyota Prius III. When I get it installed , I will collect raw data about its usage and performance. I have an 120VAC killowatt meter that I can monitor its power drain from. I have a ScangaugeII that I can collect data from the car from. After collecting the data on the EBH I will make the data collected and preliminary observations/conclusion to this forum and to the public at large .

    I am now in the process of designing what kind of data I will collect and I am asking what kind of data would you find most useful wrt to the EBH?
     
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    For me (personally), I'd like to know/see the following

    A temperature map plotting the amount of time the engine block heater is plugged in/active and the initial starting temperature of the engine when you start the car (maybe taken in 30 min intervals).

    Time it takes to reach max engine temperature (steady state)

    A comparison of MPG vs time (probably using the 1 minute interval) to see what type of improvement is seen and to calculate the amount of gasoline saved. It could be compared to the amount of energy consumed to warm up the engine. We could then have a philosophical debate on the pollution merits of burning less gasoline vs whatever generates electricity in your area.

    I'd be interested in an engine block heater for the MPG benefits (and we have solar panels at the house) but is it worth it in the long run? And I don't mean in the terms of "payback" for the purchase price of the EBH. I mean in the terms of pollution.

    Good luck!
     
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    walter Lee Hypermiling Padawan

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    With respect to pollution - my electricity is from
    Cleancurrents which is a local electrical supplier
    which aggregates wind turbine electricity (so I'm
    not using electricity generated by fossil fuels or
    by a nuclear powerplant)

    In terms of Return on Investment (ROI) my initial
    computations wrt to todays current energy prices
    is that the ROI for me is neligible because I only
    have about really 3 super cold months ( Dec, Jan,
    Feb). If weather patterns change or if energy
    prices change the ROI changes too. I'm spending
    the $$ and doing this so it can be included in my
    2 year hypermiling experiment/technical challenge
    - whose primary objective is to optimize the fuel
    efficiency of the 2010 Prius by exploring a variety
    of techniques/modification. Collecting useful data
    points is a side benefit... :D

    Here is the data collection format I am thinking of using.
    Each record has 19 data fields.

    ebh data record format
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    00. Record number - Primary Key
    01. date (MM/DD/YYYY)
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    starting EBH warmup cycle
    ----------------------------
    02. outside temperature(F)
    03. time(00:00)
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    ending EBH warmup cycle
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    04. outside temperature(F)
    05. time(00:00)
    06. wattHours(wH)
    07. engine block temperature achieved(F)
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    Trip data
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    08. starting Odeometer(miles)
    09. starting outside temperature(f)
    10. starting engine block temperature(ScangaugeII(FwT)
    11. Ending Odeometer(miles)
    12. Ending outside temperature(f)
    13. Ending engine block temperature(ScangaugeII(FwT)
    14. Precipation(Rain/Snow/Sleet/none)
    15. ScangaugeII(AVG, mpg )
    16. MFD(Trip B reset, mpg)
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    cost factors
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    17. cost per KwH ( current charge, distr&tax charge )
    18. cost per gallon of gas



    The engine block heater will be used to raise the temperature of the gasoline engine before its even started - but depending on how long the heater is ON, the outside temperature, the initial engine temperature might difffer. So the question would be given an initial outside temperature. How much time and how much electricity would it take a 400W engine block heater to warm up the Prius? Without an engine block heater, it takes the Prius about 3 to 7 minutes to warm up the engine to the point that the engine will shut down (FWT > 100 F, 1st warmup phase). The 3rd Gen Prius steady state/max temperature for the engine coolant is 180F, and wrt to my commute it make take up to 50 minutes before I reach that temperature in the winter. My scangaugeII can monitor the coolant temperature but it does not do a minute by minute data logging of the MPG, coolant temperature, and GPH. I would need a OBDII scanner/data logger...

    The EBH experiment can only be done for my 16 mile commute *to work* in the mornings. So the route used will be fixed.

    hope this helps

    Walter Lee
    (mileage log at Cleanmpg.com under "HyperDrive 1")
    2010 Toyota Prius III, Blue Ribbon/Dark Grey, OEM floormats
    Yokohama Avid s33 (front 50 psi rear 48 psi)
    lower grill 100% blocked , upper grill 0% blocked (temporary)
    ScangaugeII (FwT, SoC, RPM, GPH)
    Odeometer 17350 miles/ 60.9 mpg overall
     
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  4. F8L

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    I'm glad we have people like you around. :)
     
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    Since you are recording the "outside air temperature" I assume the car is stored outdoors while the EBH is operating. If this is the case, then you might want to consider recording the wind speed since that will impact how much heat is lost to the outside air. I know its an additional complication - OTOH I suppose you could consider it a "second order" effect and just ignore it.
     
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    No more Engine Block Heaters for me. It may have been the cause of the fire that burned up my 2010 Blizzard Pearl beauty in my driveway one morning nearly three weeks ago.

    On the bright side, I just today put a down payment on its replacement!
     
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    Sorry to hear about that!
     
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    Do you really think that a block heater will help in Maryland?

    That seems pretty far South for it to be needed.
     
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    Well, it did heat the block!:D
     
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    Yes. The car will be parked just outside my house while the EBH is on. Will logging the wind speed from the weather report be good enough? We are not allowed to set up any permanent weather station sensors outside in my community - so setting up a temporary weather station will be problematic....:(
     
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    The value of an EBH is probably more apparent in colder climates but winters in Maryland-DC area should get cold enough where I should be able to collect enough data points along a wide range of temperatures to show how effective an EBH is. My initial estimates is that the EBH ROI will be marginally effective in Maryland but I wont know for sure until I get more data.

    Last winter my mileage dropped from a 2010 summer time high of 66.1 mpg to 53 mpg. Sofar this winter my mileage has has dropped from a 2011 summertime high of 70.9 mpg to 65 mpg and is still dropping. However, compared to last winter at this same time my fuel efficiency is 7 mpg higher( 65 mpg vs 58 mpg, you can see my mileage log on Cleanmpg.com under "HyperDrive 1"). I believe this is because I've implemented a more aggressive grill blocking strategy, I am using higher tire pressures, and my hypermiling skills have improved. This summer when the Prius engine was pre-warmed up my 16 mile *going to work-downhill* commute trip FE peaked between 80mpg to 83 mpg (4x this year) which is about 10 mpg higher than without the pre-warmup ( 66mpg to 76 mpg). So there is a definite advantage but it should be more telling in the winter than in the summer time. Pre-warming up the Prius ICE is one the the tactics Hypermiler Wayne Gerdes uses to achieve high MPG in his FE Marathon.
     
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    not to mention additional break in and tire wear...
     
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    Wind speed varies a lot over short distances and on different sides of a building. There would be some value of you just estimating wind velocity and direction while standing by your car, probably more value than a weather station report from a few miles, or even a mile away. I'm looking forward to seeing your data:rockon:
     
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    If I had a portable anemometer[1] and took a reading of the windspeed and direction from the parking lot before I started the EBH and then after I disconnected the EBH - is there a predictive thermal loss/efficiency equation/model that I could compare my data to OR would a custom model/equation have to be created OR at this point just having raw experimental data suffice? :confused:

    [1] example of a portable anemometer.
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003NG9QCG/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B0000AY6UV&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=10WE9WQ9W9E5TNS9DMT5
     
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    Predictive modeling of the wind cooling the block would be an extremely messy complicated calculation. The real value in the wind data would be to allow you to separate the results by prevailing wind velocity. Most places the air tends to be stiller in the morning, if that's the case where you are, you could use the wind data to eliminate windy mornings from your baseline study. Then, as an extra exercise, attempt to correlate the effects of wind on heating rate.

    Once you obtain the wind vs cooling data, you might be able to back into a reasonable empirical equation.
     
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    Yes - That sounds reasonable. There probably is a "wind chill factor" involved. I will get a portable anemometer and record the wind speed, too. Thanks. ;).
     
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    "With respect to pollution - my electricity is from
    Cleancurrents which is a local electrical supplier
    which aggregates wind turbine electricity (so I'm
    not using electricity generated by fossil fuels or
    by a nuclear powerplant)"

    This is the power you are paying for - it is not the power you are using. When you plug in your heater you are using the next increment of power that the system operator sees as economic on the grid. This in the morning would be likely natural gas generated or oil. :)
     
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    Would providing a control group of experimental data points
    help eliminate any bias wrt to other FE influencing factors?

    For example,

    1) every *even* work day the EBH is used (experimental)
    and every *odd* work day do not use the EBH (control).

    2) every *even* week the EBH is used (experimental)
    and every *odd* week the EBH is not used (control).

    I am hoping to collect atleast 60 data points (+12 weeks of cold weather). I need atleast 30 data points to create something statistically reliable ( so I can use a Normal Distribution curve with a reasonable confidence level).
     
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    Clean Current is a national aggregator of wind turbine
    energy[1]. It purchases energy from the national grid that
    is created by & credited to Wind farms located in
    Indiana, Iowa, Nebraska, and Texas[2]. However, electricity
    on the national grid is intermingled with electricity created
    by Wind, Solar, Hydro, Gas, Oil, and Nuclear power.

    There are several motivations for using an EBH

    1) to increase FE/MPG.
    2) to lower the total energy footprint usage
    3) to lower energy cost
    4) to lower (carbon) emissions.

    The 2012 PJM Interconnection Power Grid (Mid Atlantic Power Grid Mix) for Maryland is...
    Coal = 48.1%
    Gas = 13.3%
    Nuclear = 34.6%
    Oil = 00.5%
    Methane= 00.3%
    Waste = 00.5%
    Hydro = 01.0%
    Wind = 01.5% <== that me!
    Biomass = 00.2%


    [1]
    Wind Power FAQs - Clean Currents - A leading wind and solar power supplier and installer for Maryland, Virginia, and Washington, DC

    [2]
    Wind Farms - Clean Currents - A leading wind and solar power supplier and installer for Maryland, Virginia, and Washington, DC
     
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    I've got the EBH and the anemometer ...

    Here's my EBH data record file format

    ENGINE BLOCK HEATER EXPERIMENTAL DATA RECORD
    Each record has 24 data fields.
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    ebh - data record formats
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    experimental (Record Type=1)
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    00. Record number - Primary Key
    01. Record type (1= experimental/0=control)
    02. date (MM/DD/YYYY)
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    starting EBH warmup cycle
    ----------------------------
    03. outside temperature(F)
    04. time(00:00)
    05. wind (speed, direction)
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    ending EBH warmup cycle
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    06. outside temperature(F)
    07. time(00:00)
    08. wind (speed, direction)
    09. wattHours(wH)
    10. engine block temperature achieved(F)
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    Trip data
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    11. starting Odeometer(miles)
    12. starting wind (speed,direction)
    13. starting outside temperature(f)
    14. starting engine block temperature(ScangaugeII(FwT)
    15. starting time(oo:eek:o)
    16. Ending Odeometer(miles)
    17. Ending outside temperature(f)
    18. Ending engine block temperature(ScangaugeII(FwT)
    19. Ending time(00:00)
    20. Precipation(Rain/Snow/Sleet/none)
    21. ScangaugeII(AVG, mpg )
    22. MFD(Trip B reset, mpg)
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    cost factors
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    23. cost per KwH ( current charge, distr&tax charge )
    24. cost per gallon of gas

    ========================
    control (Record type =0)
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    00. Record number - Primary Key
    01. date (MM/DD/YYYY)
    11. starting Odeometer(miles)
    12. starting wind (speed,direction)
    13. starting outside temperature(f)
    14. starting engine block temperature(ScangaugeII(FwT)
    15. starting time(oo:eek:o)
    16. Ending Odeometer(miles)
    17. Ending outside temperature(f)
    18. Ending engine block temperature(ScangaugeII(FwT)
    19. Ending time(00:00)
    20. Precipation(Rain/Snow/Sleet/none)
    21. ScangaugeII(AVG, mpg )
    22. MFD(Trip B reset, mpg)
    -------------------
    cost factors
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    23. cost per KwH ( current charge, distr&tax charge )
    24. cost per gallon of gas