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engine block Return on Investment analysis

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by walter Lee, Nov 5, 2011.

  1. walter Lee

    walter Lee Hypermiling Padawan

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    engine block heater Return on Investment ROI

    What is the payback or breakeven point when its worth it
    to install an engine block heater?

    Scenario#1
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    Suppose a 400wh engine block heater ( let's ignore any installation cost for now and look at only energy cost ) was installed on a 2010 Toyota Prius hatchback which normally get 65 mpg in the summer and about 50 mpg in the winter. Electricity after taxes is costing about 18 cents per kilowatt hour, from what I understand the engine block heater needs about three hours to warm up the prius ( total electric need per session 1.2kwh which translates to about 22 cents per session) Suppose gasoline cost about 3.40 per gallon. Let's estimate that prewarming up the Prius will give a 15 mpg improvement during the winter (that is, the engine block heater brings the Prius to its summer time fuel efficiency during the winter time). Without an engine block header the Prius can get up 50 mpg with just grill blocking in the winter (which last about 4 months) on a 16 mile commute. If one warmed up the Prius for only *to* work trip each month (20 workday per month) only 320 miles per month would be affected by the ICE warmup procedure which burns about 24kwh per month to achieve about a 1.48 gallons (6.4 gallons used vs 4.92 gallons used ) of gas saving per month. The cost of the electricity = $4.32 per month was used to save 1.48 gallons of regular 87 octane gasoline (@3.40/gallon of E10) = $5.03 month. The saving per month would be 71 cents per month for four months - plus you get MPG bragging rights...:D
     
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    My rule of thumb -- which needs refinement -- is that engine warmup normally costs about 2 miles of extra fuel, or 0.04 gallon. Maybe 0.06 gallon if frost is on the windows. But this is very coarse, and includes more heat than the EBH can provide, and catalyst warmup that is beyond the reach of the EBH.

    This limits the EBH value to something less than $0.15 to 0.22 of gasoline saved ($3.80/gal locally) per warmup cycle. But I welcome more precise measurements.

    I don't want to characterize the benefit in terms of MPG improvement because that will vary drastically with commute distance. And I don't imagine that it can boost your winter MPG to match your summer MPG because there are many other winter losses that the EBH does not help.
     
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    3hr to warm up in MD?? this sounds overly excessive. 1/2hr more then enough neighbor :)

    Yeah the savings are negligible, you probably save more by applying anti-fog on windshield.
     
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    At the risk of hijacking this thread, what is anti-fog? Is it applied to the inside of the windshield? I'd love for a way to avoid the irritating and at times dangerous fogging-up of the windows in cold weather.
     
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    All the anti-fog stuff I've seen is applied to the inside of the windshield. It's supposed to help prevent fogging of the window. I think years ago I tried using some of it, and didn't really notice a big difference. Of course, every situation is different, and maybe there's better products out there.
     
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    I know my estimates/numbers in scenario#1
    were wanting - and that even how it frames
    the ROI is simplistic and dearly flawed - but
    I thought it might be useful as an initial starting
    point as to how one might try to approach and
    frame the answer/solution. My interest in the
    Engine Block Heater(EBH) is not to improve the
    efficiency or performance of the Prius windshield
    defroster system (albeit a EBH probably would do
    that) but to improve overall fuel efficiency
    of the Prius warm-up cycle when starting up
    in operating temperatures below 50F which
    ultimately impacts the overall winter time MPGs.

    That being said - I concide that the uniform
    EBH 3 hour warmup session cycle is probably way
    too long for my situation here in MD and that
    depending on climate the length of a EBH warm up
    session should vary with the outside temperatures.
    It makes sense to run the EBH only as long as
    it is necessary to get the ICE running at its most
    optimum temperature range is the quickest manner.

    Would it be fair to say that an EBH needs only
    30 minutes to warm up the Prius when the outside
    temperatures are above 50F?

    Could the EBH warm up a Prius when the outside
    temperaturesare from 50F to 32F in about 60 minutes?

    Would running EBH about 90 minutes be sufficient
    to warm up the Prius if the outside temperature
    is between 32F to 10F?

    Without checking the local weather records - I'd say that there are less than 30 days per year in MD where a morning (8am) commute temperatures are less than 32F.
     
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    Anti-fog is a chemical applied on the inside of the windshield that inhibit fogging (condensation). It is sold in bottles or as towelettes.

    here are two brands that I have
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    Rain-X Anti-Fog (UnelkoCorp, Scottsdale, Az)

    Never Fog (North American Oil Company, Atlanta Ga)

    IMHO - They work best when the temperatures are above freezing(32F/0C).

    hope this helps

    Walter Lee
    mileage log on Cleanmpg.com under "HyperDrive 1"
    2010 Toyota Prius Type3, Blue Ribbon/Dk Grey, oem floormat
    Yokohama Avid S33 (50/48)
    ScangaugeII ( FwT, SoC, GPH, RPM)
    100% grill blocking
    Odeometer = 16750 miles, overall +60 mpg
     
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