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  1. hill

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    Comparing Mass torture starvation murderers like Stalin / Hitler / Chairman Mao / Pol Pot etc. .... many millions each.
    Mao?

    Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years' | The Independent | The Independent

    No one in the present day competes. Saying so diminishes the millions who suffered & even the family members that survived.
     
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    'has the human enterprise been slowed'? i'd have to know what the human enterprise is.
    is there a definition, or an individual belief system? (n)
     
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    I often mention The human enterprise here and will offer my definition. Human activities seem a different and larger concept, being all of them. Human enterprise is the subset of activities directed at least in part towards an increase in welfare, or enrichment, of one or more persons.

    When we think of any enterprise, that is its purpose - agreed?
     
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    Coffee, China, and sleepy Yunnan Province.

    A bit of coffee is grown in Yunnan:

    https://www.terradaily.com/reports/Chinese_tea_hub_branches_into_coffee_as_tastes_change_.99.html

    There are things to consider. Coffee (arabica) has the highest sensitivity to atmospheric dryness of any woody plant yet measured. Tea (Camellia sinensis) appears not to have been examined in this regard. I have nagged other researchers about that :rolleyes:

    With climate change, optimal growing places for Arabica coffee will move to higher elevations. There is remarkably little concern for this.

    Tea and coffee generate largest global revenues of any 'woody' crops. Not apples or similar. Not bananas; they are not 'woody', Cannabis may have a shot but it is mired in legal issues. Also it would lead to more navel contemplation and not necessarily advance The Human Enterprise.

    As I shall soon report to whatever high journal accepts article, 'woody' crops are much more sensitive to atmospheric dryness than annual crops. Considering revenue$ involved, this aspect of climate change gets remarkably little attention.

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    I grind beans and have one pour-over cup of coffee each morning. I get beans from Shanghai that probably come from Vietnam.

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    There are about 6500 Starbucks in China vs, about 17000 in US. In both, this retail upselling activity is doing pretty well. It persists as inexpensive source supplies persist.
     
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    coffee production and transportation is complicated. we get our starbucks breakfast blend from amazon.
    i read an article in the nyt which triggered some questions about fair trade and etc.
    after some research, i gave up and haven't switched from the current plan.
     
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    If ya like starbucks - 2 flavor brands / steps above? Pete's & green mountain .... YUM!
     
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    The ratio of robusta produced annually has been steadily growing. I suspect the differences between the two doesn't matter to most coffee drinkers.
    The rise of Robusta coffee - Global Coffee Report
    Hemp could do a lot of good just in replacing trees for paper. Guessing we can find other industrial uses for it.
     
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    wow! some people are amazing :eek:
     
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    Synthetic aperture radar (SAR) looking down from earth orbit is pretty nifty. One of its applications is to detect land subsidence in cities. Have a look:

    All 28 of the U.S.'s Largest Cities Are Sinking, Study Finds

    With rates correlated with groundwater withdrawal rates.

    One could examine this wherever groundwater withdrawal is known with sufficient accuracy, because orbital SAR sees all. Anyway these Sentinel birds do, being in sun-synch orbits. So they can observe polar ice one would suppose.

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    Euro Space Agency launched 'Biomass' in 2025 April. Much anticipated by forest researchers because it will profile global forest canopies very well.
     
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    Now we have plausible deniability
     
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    I suppose that means 2025 and later disasters will not be enumerated? Ain't necessarily so. The re-insurance industry is all over this. Reports from many sources (other corporate and NGOs if not governmental) will continue to be prepared. Accumulated data will exist but possibly as a thing one must pay to know.

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    Takes me back to weather and climate records themselves. Regional and global compilations have been accused of 'cooking the books' and making temperature increases look worse than they really are. Howsoever, weather records have always been available for legal proceedings, with assured provenance and 'chain of custody'. For a price.

    Back when we usta argue about hoaxiness of global warming (even here), I suggested that skeptics could simply buy the truth. To the best of my knowledge, none ever did. Anywhere.
     
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    So...what are you personally doing to make and/or persuade China to fix things?
     
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    What I do in public (on the larger question) is visible in part to PC readers. Other parts are visible to those with (internet) researching skills. What I do in private, well, find some sand and pound it.

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    What is the larger question? I proceed as if asked. Humans have done very well with science and technology (including medicine) and including vast energy production from burning fossil fuel. People should understand as much about that as possible. Many teach on that, and I do a little also.

    Humans could to better, and may need to, in ways that differ from Industrial Revolution 1.0. There are obvious lessons from environmental research. Many teach on that, and I do a little also. This is not really a country-based thing. Accumulating money and power 'the old way' still works really well, and resists (funds resistance) to Industrial Revolution 2.0.

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    Personal-level resistance to Industrial Revolution 2.0 takes many forms, some of which are on display at PriusChat.
     
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    So...your long winded answer...nothing.
     
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    You found nothing? How could I disagree?
     
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    Prove me wrong...please.
     
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