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Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Oct 22, 2015.

  1. tochatihu

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    Yeah but you can outrun a snail.

    Very likely said around here before. Charcoal briquettes come packaged in colorful bags. Store those outside and snails do their scrapey-eaty thing and leave trails of colorful poops.
     
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    love ocean snails. land snails bother me, especially in the garden
     
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    my uncle used to pick snails off the rocks at nantasket beach and eat them. e u
     
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    Seems you are not in escargot cult.
     
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    I couldn't stand them when I had them the one and only time on a cruise ship. Even though I already had a few drinks in me, and the garlic didn't mask their creepy Factor either.
     
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    In greater detail, muscular hydrostats are fascinating. Projection of force with little skeletal attachment. Fiber arrangements are gonna remind you of vehicle tires. Wiggle your tongue! Go on, no one will know. Can you even imagine stuff that's going on in there?

    Elephants (better their extinct mastodon cousins) took hydrostats all the way to Absurdville. Can be appreciated even if they're off your menu.
     
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    true. same goes for ants
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Was into herpatology back when Hawaii declared Jackson's chameleon person non grata. The reason stated was to protect native birds. It's possible the lizards we're eating hatchlings, just l can see them eating these snails, but native flora and fauna there under a lot of pressure from aliens, and I don't think research had pinpointed the chameleon as a major threat.

    Hunting down the lizards takes resources. Ones that were in competition for other programs, like catching brown snakes hitchhiking on planes from Guam.

    The senseless thing about Hawaii wanting to get rid of the Jackson's chameleon was that they banned the export of wild caught chameleons. Which shifted supply back to Kenya, where the population was already under pressure. Then the treatment and transit times meant fewer caught lizards surviving.

    Don't got snails here; lots of slugs. Some small salamanders, and a few leeches.
    Good way to get a parasite.
     
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    Parasites (in a broad sense) are very happy about people eating raw animals. Or geophagy, or ingesting schnutz that accumulates under fingernails. T-bait-N-me are in big trouble for saying so.

    Probably targeted now. Parasites that grow through your eyeballs? eewww raised to a very high exponent.
     
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    this was back in the day, before parasites were invented;) he did go a bit loopy in the end though:whistle:
     
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    It got to his brain.
     
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    destructive 'species' that we call parasites - what are the parasites .......

    just sayin' .....

    Consider the dodo bird. 50lbs? Man, tastes like chicken? No wonder. Still, a shame. A way cool species wiped out specifically because of us. And in case we missed a few of them, let's drop off a few birds & dogs & cats & rats on the island so that sucker will have overwhelming competition for food.
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    You forgot to mention pigs and goats. Most of the invasive critters you mentioned were dropped off by accident. The pigs and goats we're done on purpose so food critters would be available the next time a ship came by.
     
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    Haha...a cruise ship is the only place I've had them too. I didn't mind them...but I wouldn't go out of my way to order them again. (y)
     
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    Dodo (story goes...) cried for help and pals came running. So netting one meant you got several. Whatever their evolved-for threat was, this was a poor plan with respect to hungry sailors.
     
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    How can human-food providence be sustainable (tricky word) and healthy?

    https://www.thelancet.com/commissions/EAT

    BBC radio is on this now (holes exist in BBC walling in some parts of Asia :) ).

    Two linked articles are free for those who register. Registration is ~trivial but just now, Lancet is is (?) overloaded.

    Yet general outlines are clear. Big beef is bad. Plants are good. Fiber is good; one can read about where fiber is, or simply trust your teeth. Firm, crunchy, otherwise challenging? That's fiber talking to your teeth. One might listen.

    Other animals are purported as less bad. Dairy (secondary cow, approximately) is bad. For adults; children are like a different species :)

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    I see this as a good-faith effort to suggest how to eat. For current health management and for stretching agriculture over more future eaters. There is a long history of interfering with joy of eating, and it would be surprising for this newest to not draw some angst.
     
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    i was reading the fibre article the other day. we're in pretty good shape, banana, yogurt and granola breakfast, salad with protein lunch, apple snack, balanced dinner, nuts and legumes, fruit dessert.

    no processed foods, refined sugars etc. very little beef, more chicken, some fish

    1,000 sq ft garden, local farm share and as much locally sourced ingredients possible. winter is more difficult, but some canning, root cellar and florida help
     
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    In same genus as papaya there is a wood people eat after very little pretreatment. Now that's fiber.

    Did not think we were xylophages? Now you know. Gorillas (it is said) nibble on wood but only for sodium. It is said. That's about it for primates.

    Wood stories? I got a million of 'em.
     
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    I reckon bisco's garden is presently growing snow. If not, give it a couple of days.
     
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