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Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Oct 22, 2015.

  1. 3PriusMike

    3PriusMike Prius owner since 2000

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    Isn't that something Spock once said?

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    A link that works for me and not for thee? Fascinating.

    Straight to renewables sounds ideal to me. If none in positions of power oppose it, and external investment can be attracted.

    Zambia BTW has hydroelectric up the wazoo. So to speak.
     
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    Lieutenant, depending on the episode/movie, I think
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    The link took some time to load for me.
     
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    that's the beauty of reducing the releasing of carbon dioxide. Even if the man-made thing is phony baloney, decreasing our C02 output - we still end up saving natural resources, as well as increasing efficiency, as well as (hopefully) the possibility of someday getting out of other countries (where we harvest THEIR carbon based fuels) where culturally 'isolationistic' people don't want us anyway. Point being, it serves no purpose to become hysterical over either weather or climate if we are doing the right thing. That's the trick.
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    well, i thought it might be good thing, but doc seems to disagree
     
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    This may clarify matters. Or not.

    I agree with all Hill said except "crazy people" is not a useful description. Hysterical and doing the right thing syllogism is unknowable at present. So it does not seem useful either.

    We don't know how rapidly climate will change on current CO2 emission pathway, or rate/extent of those changes on other aspects of human enterprise, or extent to which they would be mitigated on a lower-CO2 pathway. I mean we do not know exactly.

    Because of all that it makes sense to transition to renewable E at a rapid rate. If too rapid constrains economic development in poor countries, you have non-optimized in a different direction. Best guesses require inputs from a wide range of experts.

    I concede that fossil fuel burners are a type of expert. Particularly in terms of making profits in settings where externalities are ignored. They will not willingly give up their seat at the table. Optimal path for de emphasizing that large, profitable, and government-subsidy-driven industry will not be easy to know or implement.
     
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    my wife was looking over my shoulder and said, 'wow, that guys a nerd'. :p
     
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    My best wishes to you both.
     
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    thank you, and to you. i'll pass it along :)
     
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