Epic Rainfall in OKC

Mr Parker,

I believe I prefaced my comment(s) that any given weather event probably cannot be attributed to AGW, but the sum total of anomalies MIGHT be attributable. (I may not have mentioned it in this thread, and if not, the omission is mine)

So that said, from my (admittedly) limited knowledge of OK City June weather, I would suggest that either event (big rains/125f) is anomalous, and therefore COULD be a symptom of AGW, and so yes, I would suggest that that kind of event might be relevant.

What too many people don't realize (for a variety of reasons, denial propaganda included) is that the consequence of greenhouse gasses is going to be climate change. That change will not be uniform "warming" as many think, but rather variances, (often significant variances) from statistical "norms". These net variances will lead to different results in different places. Warmer in some, cooler in others, wetter in some, drier in others. What too few people understand is the tenuous nature of the high latitudes (Arctic and Antarctic areas).

We like to think that a degree or two C over the course of a decade is no big deal, perhaps our heating bill will go down, but our A/C might go up. What folks don't realize that in permafrost environments that 1C difference may (and IMHO will) lead to permafrost melting (and glacial melting. Permafrost melting will release nearly unquantifiable quantities of greenhouse gases (primarily methane). This release will in all likely hood create a release feedback loop that will be unstoppable.

So make light all you wish, continue to believe you denial brethren. Your children and their children will have to pay the debt that we accrue.

Icarus

PS. Just for those that are interested, the average daily June temp in OK City is ~75F, so 125F would indeed be an anomaly.

It also receives ~ 11" of rain in the average June,, so indeed both events are anomalous.

Oklahoma City Weather History - CityRating.com

Pretty good city for solar however with ~200 days of good sun (on average)

 

By that you mean what is being accrued by the current administration, right? I couldn't agree more.

 

So in other words, this was normal, with the only difference being that it wasn't normal.

Got it...

 

Not to stray too far from the original thread, but it might be interesting to look at %of debt relative to GDP under various administrations. Hmm, seems that during the Reagan years, the Bush I years and the Bush II years, it goes up,, (and in fact during the Bush II years it goes up real fast!). During the Carter and Clinton years it goes,,oh that's a surprise down. So yea it has gone up under President Obama, but that is largely due to the economic disaster left by the previous administration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Federal_Debt_as_Percent_of_GDP_by_President.jpg

Just for the record, over half of the TARP money has been repaid as of now, ergo with a cost to the taxpayers of $0, the loans to GM have been paid back, with interest at a net profit to the tax payers, the stimulus package is building roads, and sewers and schools etc, generating jobs in a sector that was especially hard hit due to the crazy financial policies of previous administrations.

So yea, just like fixing global warming, it is much harder and much more expensive to fix once the wheels have fallen off! The problem with anti-tax ideologues is that they, at their core don't want to pay for anything, but often they yell the loudest that "some one should do something" when the wheels fall off! (see also Bobby Jindal!)

Icarus

PS I am not going to carry this old argument any further on this thread. If you wish to move to the FhoPol feel free.

 

I betcha if I made any comment at all you couldn't resist,,,

Love you man.

 

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Mark57,

I was in OKC once for a few days back in the mid-70s. All I remember
is eating an incredible steak at a "stockman's" restaurant that backed
up to the stockyard, and the cowboy -- or was it rodeo? -- hall of fame.
In my mind, that part of OK was flat as a griddle... I guess not.

Sorry to hear about the damages and difficulties.
Glad to hear you came out of it all OK.

On a lighter note:

I wonder, is the weather in Normal, IL,
always "normal" or merely typical for the time of year.

Would this storm be normal in Norman, OK.?