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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by telmo744, Nov 1, 2015.

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  1. Trollbait

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    This new regulation is a reasonable solution. The current dynanometer performed tests are based on unreasonably easy drive cycles. It is now feasible to perform on the road emissions testing with the new equipment that is available, and this was going to happen before VW got caught.

    Research has shown there is a difference in the emissions measured between the in the lab method, using cycles that haven't been updated in years, and on the road. The manufacturers were given time to improve the effectiveness and cost of emission systems over time through stepped tightening of emission limits.

    Now that there is also going to be a new, more accurate test performed, these regulations are just doing the same thing. Considering some of the results in those earlier studies, 2.1 times the lab test limit is an improvement in the car's emissions over what they emit now without the required on the road test.

    Before people get huffy about diesels being Hedrahs, this regulations appears to apply to gasoline cars also. Plus, the EU has already given direct injected gasoline cars a pass on particles for several years, and the US appears to have no plans to address them, while some port injected cars emit more than the limit that put an exhaust filter on diesels.

    Only two tests are truly required; the original city and highway. The other three are used to provide a 'fudge' factor for the window sticker MPG numbers, but they can be skipped, and a math formula used instead. So those 3 likely have no bearing on emission figures.

    The CAFE numbers have no weighting applied, so the safe assumption is that the emission ones don't either.

    This is exactly how the CAFE system has worked for years. Toyota sells a Prius, and they don't have to worry too much about the fact the Tundra is the thirstiest 1/2 ton truck on the market. If the Tundra had sold better, they could have reclassified the Matrix as a truck to pull that fleet's average up.

    The Outback is a FSP of a car. Invest in R&D to improve efficiency? Nope, first step is call it a truck.
     
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    okay, everything resolved in vdubs favor. excellent, lets move on to the next criminals.
     
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    there are no criminals ... & in the matrix - "there is no spoon"
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    That's in Europe, asia doesn't seem to care. The US is the country that will punish or give a pass to VW. I expect fines between $1B-$3B, and only california to force owners to get a fix, so costs for fixing will be low. VW will probably have to give owners some money in North America too. I hope the car market is the one that punishes VW, but it didn't seem to punish Hyundai for lying on the window stickers, so we will wait and see.
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    The way to get rid of the extra vw emissions problem is to remove them from your mind.
     
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    that's awfully hefty for the small amount of diesels here, i'm thinking lower end. any complaints from the epa or pols yet?
     
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    Ford too - with their high mpg claims on the C-Max. It was like a non-issue.
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    mikefocke Prius v Three 2012, Avalon 2011

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    In the Raleigh paper today there was a Lawyer ad looking for VW diesel owners.
     
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    if only...