Europe’s New C-HR will include a PHEV

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    Toyota C-HR prologue: the bold becomes bolder

    They call it the C-HR Prologue but now includes a plug-in version as well as the hybrid version. Anybody wanna bet it’ll have the Prius Prime drive train plus maybe an AWD version? And maybe a prologue of what to come for us? Sorry couldn’t help myself.

    Not to be outdone by our dual color versions of everything, they are also introducing a tri-color version. Not too many gory details but then it is a concept, but they are going for European produced batteries for the Plug-in. BTW the current C-HR is produced in Turkey for those who don’t know.


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    " the Bold becomes bolder." if Bolder means "I can't see much out of the blind spots" ..... then the concept is definitely bolder. for some reason cool styling doesn't seem to carry over well towards outward visibility. Beyond the styling/shape - a nice long distance EV range could be a really good offset against outward visibility.
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    If the digital rearview mirror is available, and I assume it will be, that would probably be on every time I got in the car. :LOL: Looks like Europe eliminated the outside rearview mirrors in place of digital ones. That'll help them if they can get a wide angle camera.

    Apparently bestcarweb.jp agrees with some of my assumptions:
    新型C-HR発表! ハンマーヘッドに3色ボディカラーが凄すぎるカッコよさ! 日本発売は2023年夏頃か - 自動車情報誌「ベストカー」

    Partial translation:
    "What will happen to the powertrain?
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    Expected to be equipped with the same powertrain as the new Prius
     Toyota Europe's materials clearly stated that it would develop two powertrains, a hybrid and a PHEV, in the European market.

     Three types of powertrains are expected to be installed. It will be a 1.8L hybrid (engine 98ps/14.5kgm + motor 95ps/18.9kgm), a 2L hybrid (engine 152ps/19.2kgm + motor 113ps/21.0kg), and a 2L PHEV. Perhaps the lineup will also include an E-FOUR that drives the rear wheels with a motor (the specs are not announced, but the new Prius).

     The body size of the current C-HR is 4390mm in length, 1795mm in width and 1550mm in height, but the new C-HR is expected to be slightly larger, 4500mm in length x 1800mm in width x 1570mm in height.

     The new C-HR is expected to go on sale in Japan in the summer of 2023 according to the latest information. I want to wait and wait to see if it will surprise me more than the current model."

    Maybe in Japan, they might get the 1.8L, but not in the US.
    Dimension conversion in inches:
    4500mm (177.2 in.) in length x 1800mm (70.9 in.) in width x 1570mm (61.8 in.) in height
    Although the mini ute has grown a little, the new C-HR will still be much smaller than the RAV4 and about the same size as the UXh. While still shorter than the new 2023 Prius and Prius Prime, hopefully the extra 6 inches in length will help with the cargo space which is less than the current Prius Prime and wheelbase which is tied for the shortest in Toyota's lineup.
     
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    What's the plan for the forward side blind spots created by the A-pillars? I've had those block site of pedestrians, bikers, and even a whole car once in the 2005 Prius.
     
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    These don't really look bad but I'd definitely have to look from the inside.

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    It's the C-Pillars I'd be a little leery of.

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    Not really into the true two door coupe style either.
     
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    I didn't think the A pillars were bad in the Prius until a near miss. Raked windshields make the impact of thickness worse.
     
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    Many cars have traffic avoidance now. Perhaps dual side cameras like the teslas?
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    They are just an aid. A potentially effective one. Back up cameras are also an aid. One that seems to have given designers an excuse to give less consideration to visibility out of the back window.

    Someone was testing a system to displayed what the side cameras saw right on the A pillars. Making them virtually clear to the driver.
     
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    The car--moby-jp website looked at the rear of the C-HR Prologue and sure enough there is a gap for the door. I didn't look close enough on the picts I posted which also shows a gap for a rear door. We're looking at the hybrid (HEV) version because there is no charge door on the passenger side. There also is no door handle, even recessed and although the car--moby-jp website suggests there might be a button by the taillight, my thoughts are it might be a clamshell rear-hinged door (aka suicide door) like those found on the BMW i3 and my Toyota Tacoma Access cab.

    Here's the partial translation:
    "Couper look stronger Can you open the rear door at first glance?
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    Toyota C-HR Prologue
    The C-HR uses a pillar-mounted door handle that is embedded in the pillar for getting into the rear seat. By arranging the door handles so that they are hidden, it creates a stylish coupe -like design, a design method favored by European manufacturers.

    At first glance, the C-HR Prologue looks like a 3-door car without a rear door, but if you look closely, you can see the gap between the rear door and the body on the rear fender and C-pillar, and it is a 5- door . I understand. However, while the C-HR had a door handle on the C-pillar, the C-HR Prologue seems to have none.

    Since there is a small recess in the corner of the tail lamp, it is thought that a button for opening the door is installed in this, but in any case, the rear seat door handle is even more difficult to understand than the previous C- HR. I'm here."

    Apparently they are not a fan of the C-HR rear door handle. :LOL:

    I can say this though, if they do use the 2023 Prius drivetrain, they'll probably get about mid 40's in gas mileage for the hybrid and mid 30's AER for the PHEV version. The current European 2.0L Hybrid C-HR weighs about 64.4 kg (142 lbs) more than the current Prius i-AWD, 1,525 kg (3362 lbs) versus 1,461 kg (3220 lbs). The current European 2.0L Hybrid C-HR also stands a littler higher and wider.

    website:
    トヨタが新型『C-HR』予告!新世代デザイン採用しPHEVも展開、後席ドアどこ? | ページ 2 / 2 | MOBY [モビー]
     
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    According to MotorTrend, 2022 will be the last model year for the C-HR in the US. The hot new 2023 C-HR will be a European model only, so far. The upcoming Corolla Cross Hybrid is supposed to take it's place.

    This Is the Toyota C-HR's Final Model Year In the U.S.

    There were rumors they may expand the Prius family in the North American market to include a possible Prius v (or is it V) model as a crossover. They were merely mentions in snippets of info here and there. Probably waiting to see what the uptake is on the Corolla Cross Hybrid and the two Prius models before making any moves.
     
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    They now have spy shots, but there is some disagreement as to whether it is the new C-HR or the Compact EV. Motor 1 website says it is the new bZ Compact EV but as the Spyder7 website pointed out it has a gas cap and what looks like exhaust port under the right hand side of the bumper. I'd have to agree with the Spyder 7 website that it the new C-HR because why would they camouflage it after they showed the bZ Compact EV off in LA?

    Spyder7 article:
    https://spyder7.com/article/2023/01/05/17170.html

    Partial translation:
    "The C-HR will be released in 2016 as a global strategic model, and it seems that it is about time for a full model change. In December last year, Toyota's European division unveiled the concept car "C-HR Prologue." It also suggests that hybrid (HEV) and plug-in hybrid (PHEV) will be available.

    According to the information until then, the "bZ compact SUV concept" that Toyota unveiled at the Los Angeles Motor Show in November 2022 was seen as the successor model to the C-HR, but the C-HR prologue and the prototype scooped this time is likely to be a model that follows the flow of the "Small SUEV" released in December 2021.

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    There are two prototypes captured this time, both of which are heavily camouflaged. However, the outline of the headlight, which incorporates Toyota's new design "hammerhead", which was also adopted in the new "Prius", is visible. The shape of the upper-mounted LED rear combination lamp also looks good as it is the concept. In addition, the sharp body panels and coupe-like silhouette seen in the C-HR Prologue and small SUEV are still alive, and it seems that it will appear as a crossover SUV that emphasizes a more urban and fairly compact design.

    The prototype front mask with the number "1145" has a closed grille reminiscent of the full electric model. On the other hand, the other can be seen with a honeycomb mesh pattern grill that is different from the concept model. Also, you can see something like an exhaust port on the right side of the rear bumper, which suggests that it is an ICE (internal combustion engine).

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    There are no images of the cabin, but a photographer said it had two separate displays. Unlike BMW, which combines dual screens into one unit, and high-end brands such as Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota-like layout is expected."

    The Motor 1 website article:
    Toyota Small SU EV Spy Photos Show Production Version Of 2021 Concept
     
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