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EV Driving Ratio Display

Discussion in 'Gen 1 Prius Plug-in 2012-2015' started by CaliforniaBear, Jun 21, 2013.

  1. CaliforniaBear

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    I recently went on a 291 mile trip through the Sierra Nevada Mountains to Virginia City from the Sacramento Valley. The EV Driving Ratio display said 26% EV which sounds about right as I switch EV/HV as appropriate for the terrain. Lots of EV going downhill to charge the battery for the flat lands.

    The EV Driving Ratio display only shows 1 kWh of electricity which approximately corresponds to the difference in SOC (full = 85%) at the start and 50% at the end of the trip. (actually that would be about 1.5 kWh but it only shows integer values).

    My conclusion is the EV Driving Ratio kWh value only shows what you charged from the power line and does not include any regeneration. The 4 gallons as opposed to the actual 4.8 gallons is probably due to the integer value display.

    Here is the EV Driving Ratio display
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    Here is my Trip Log
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    Note: I realize the MPG display isn't accurate (about 1.5% high) but that's the convenient way to get all these values :)
     
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    Wait, you went 78 miles with 1 kWh of electricity?
     
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    Probably because a lot of that was going down hill, I imagine.
     
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    That's the whole point of the posting. I believe that the kWh in the display is only electricity that you get from the power line. Whereas the EV miles are all miles you traveled actually in EV and using the battery to power the car. In the case of this trip almost all of the EV capacity came from regeneration not the power line.
     
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    Hence the elevation column in the trip log. Over 50% recharge from Donner Summit to Reno and Virginia City to Reno. Almost 100% recharge from Donner Summit to Sacramento Valley.
     
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    Ok, got it. That's an interesting experiment. Thanks, good to know.

    You were in EV mode in that long downhill (sections) right? That's why PiP counted as EV mile as it has no knowledge of elevation.
     
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    We don't have an elevation monitor? That's terrible. Of course its the downhill... the elevation just gives some idea of the terrain for the various legs of the trip.

    This is why the PiP can get better mileage than the non-plug-in for some trips under similar driving conditions.
     
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    Every PiP comes with a GPS navigation. I don't see why it is not possible to monitor elevation when determining EV miles. Perhaps the next gen PiP will. I don't think any other plugin hybrids this gen are doing it either.
     
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    I have seen the same. I have seen 30+ EV miles on the ratio screen yet I didn't charge at all, and the screen showed 0 kWh.
     
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    I suppose the purpose of the kWh on the display is to provide power line charging information for folks that don't have a watt-hour meter. It clearly reports power line kWh and not regeneration (used to run the car) kWh.
     
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    Throws our calculations way off though. :-(
     
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    What calculations off, how?
     
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    Trying to figure out how many miles we get per kWh.
     
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    I would imagine the regeneration is showing up on the HV%, since the car is a hybrid.
     
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    Definitely doesn't. I started a new tank right from the dealership with no charge but got enough regen to actually be able to go into EV for a couple miles. Miles showed up under EV but said 0 for kWh.
     
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    How many HV miles did you get?
     
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    Yes, that is difficult, virtually impossible, using the available information form the display.

    I made several runs over a few day period where I started with a full charge, made short trips in EV only, then a full recharge measured with a Kill-A-Watt meter . Having to make more or less stops at red lights makes a noticeable difference for the same trip. The results are shown below.
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    SOC Chg is the change SOC from full (85%) to SOC for the kWh shown at the end of the trip.
    kWh/100mi is the EPA calculation where you add 0.2 gallons of gas per 100 mi even though I didn't use any gas.
    The EPA says the Prius Plug-in gets 95 mpge so I am doing a little better than that. I live on a hill so it costs going up but the regeneration going down really helps.

    The EPA information is here Compare Side-by-Side
     
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    I think it was like 20 or 30. Maybe more...I'd have to look.