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Discussion in 'EV (Electric Vehicle) Discussion' started by drysider, Apr 7, 2017.

  1. drysider

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    Hey, bisco. I cannot make this pencil out at $.24 per kwh...unless you pay a lot more for gas they we do up here.
     
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    you're right, gas is much cheaper than electricity around here. but they're both a bargain compared to food, shelter and taxes.:cool:
     
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    I was looking at the Plugshare map for NJ and I hit the DC charging station icon. Out of all the major highways interstate and intrastate, unless you're traveling on the 95 corridor, you better have a Tesla or Bolt for EV travel.
     
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    and even on 95, it's not convenient yet.
     
  5. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    I think his point was that CHAdeMO is not as common nationwide as our peeps on the West Coast believe.
     
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    Not just CHAdeMO, CCS is just as barren in southern Jersey. The Garden State Parkway is very popular for all the shore points and unless you have an EV with a big battery, good luck traveling it. There are stops up and down where fast charging stations would be perfect.
     
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    couldn't agree more. maybe vdub will start installing...
     
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    According to the plan, California is first. By the time they get to NJ, our politicians will find a way to divert the money to something that will benefit themselves.
     
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    i thought christy was gone?

    'the plan'? sounds like a conspiracy.:cool:
     
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    I understand many Germans share that point of view.

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    "Electric cars like the Chevy Bolt" excuse me? What does that even mean ..... Little compact decent ranged EV's? Ok - i'll bite - & where are the cars' manufactureres that fall in the pigeon hole?
    Ah ha ... there's the glaring "bogus-factor. All the author had to say - to give credibility to what he was saying is that the Chevy Volt infrastructure sucks. I'm sorry, but is there someone that didn't get that memo a couple years or more ago?

    If I can rephrase the authors' true meaning I would suggest that what he's really saying us, "I don't have the guts to say this out loud, but gm has failed miserably to support there very own EV's infrastructure ... just like Toyota has done with their fool cell car - wanting to slough-off the responsibility on taxpayers ... & most other manufacturers aren't much better."
    On the other hand - there is at least ONE plugin manufacturer who has already take it upon themselves to not only build its Nationwide infrastructure, but their plugin owners find anywhere from six to 14 stations when they arrived, so they're not having to wait nearly as long as pulling up to one sucky / hopefully operational DC charger that puts out only about ½ as much juice as that 'other company' that installed a dozen or so chargers at each location.
    'nuff said

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    imagine if the auto mfgs back in the day started opening gas stations only for their products?
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    And BEVs don't need a charging network to work for many. Most will do all their charging at home. Letting the network grow organically like gas stations may not be ideal, and be too slow for some, but it is a path that doesn't kill off plug ins like it would for hydrogen cars.
     
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    sure, if people are happy with the current rate of growth, it's no problem.
     
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    Well - the author is the one saying so - that yes it is a problem . If most here are happy with the status quo - then maybe the OP's author oughtta go find a choir to preach to.

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    Even in California, the infrastructure sucks. There are too many cars for the Charging stations. Until they can figure out how to charge a battery much more quickly for the masses, I will stick with PHEVs
     
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    see, you're part of the solution.:p
     
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    It's too fast for most car dealers.
     
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