Ever feel like just getting out of here?

ezbngrn · Nov 28, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mingoglia @ Nov 27 2007, 05:44 PM) [snapback]544892[/snapback]</div>

The way I see it if you're able-bodied get out there and work.... and pay for health insurance. If you're able-bodied and sitting at home watching Jerry Springer all day bitching and moaning about how the government isn't giving you the opportunity to be successful and healthy then, well, I can't help you...and neither should the government. Get off your nice person, read a book, take some classes, and be productive.

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Ming unfortunately this is exactly what is happening in our country. If you are hard working, you will probly make too much money to be considered for medicare. yet probably not enough to pay for adequate health care. So your choices are: work hard, pay a lot of taxes, and pay too much for health care.. OR stay at home watch Jerry Springer, get medicare, govt housing, food stamps. IMO our country caters to the very poor or very wealthy, not to the bulk of it's citizens the "HARD WORKING" middle class..

P.S. my family pays $1300. a month health care.. the mortgage on my house is $1100.00 PITI

Tenebre · Nov 28, 2007

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Only in the U.S. can a pauper be made a rich man in the courtroom because they spilled a hot cup of coffee in their lap while they were driving their car. I'd wager any European country would have thrown Stella on her nice person. Common sense, another lost character in the U.S.
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You really should do some reading up on the Stella-case as you have misunderstood both the case and the outcome.

As for the United Nations Statistics of the Human Development Report, out of the top 6 countries, at least 4 are pretty expensive to live and work in. Perhaps that is the price you have to pay? I'm not sure about Australia & Canada but the other four I have friends who've lived there or have lived there myself.

markderail · Nov 28, 2007

Canada might be in fourth place on the UN chart, but consider it is FIRST PLACE for the Americas.

jayman · Nov 28, 2007

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we currently live surrounded by gunshots, our car was totalled in a hit and run when parked on the street and three people nearby have experienced the same thing since, our home has an uncontrollable flea infestation and the new managers will have nothing to do with helping us (frontline only sorta works when they're coming in from outside) and i could go on and on. all because we got sick and can't afford a safe, decent neighborhood like we used to live in anymore.[/b]
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Are you sure you won't reconsider Winnipeg? It may be a hellhole by Canadian standards, but it's loads better than that crap

galaxee · Nov 28, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jayman @ Nov 28 2007, 10:27 AM) [snapback]545199[/snapback]</div>

Are you sure you won't reconsider Winnipeg? It may be a hellhole by Canadian standards, but it's loads better than that crap
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you know i would! we're out of this place in march but stuck in this general area for another ~2 years. <_<

JackDodge · Nov 28, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mingoglia @ Nov 27 2007, 05:44 PM) [snapback]544892[/snapback]</div>

I can't really spend much time reply to this as I'm just taking a break (at the office). Anyway, I admit I had a vision of myself telling everyone in the thread to "get the heck out if you don't like this country"... but I'll refrain as that's obviously not very productive. :lol:

I'm a British subject. My father was British and my mom is American. I spend a lot of time in Europe. In fact I just got off the phone with my uncle in the UK and will unfortunately have to fly out probably tomorrow as my grandfather isn't doing to well. Anyway, I like to see the advantages and disadvantages to each. Yeah I'm biased, but probably in the opposite way as everyone else here. I'm almost completely against socialized medicine.... and surprise, I voted for Bush. I would concede that socialized medicine should be provided for children up to 18 years of age. In addition care to the elderly should be considered as well. I believe though the working American should be able to pay for his own healthcare and it should not be provided by the government. I truly believe this is the best way to insure we have the very best medicine available. People are motivated by money whether they admit it or not and in order to get the very best doctors you have to pay them the very best wages. The government controlling healthcare would greatly affect that. In addition as much as my family loves their healthcare they complain about two things. First, the wait to get a needed surgery, and the next big one is taxes. Taxes is probably my biggest point. Yeah, I can have the government pay for everything in the world but am I ready to pay over 50% of my income for it? Socialized medicine isn't free. It's paid for by tax money. That leads me to ask myself if I'd rather pay $800/mo for my family to be covered by insurance or would I rather pay an additional 25% tax monthly to have a lower level of care? The way I see it if you're able-bodied get out there and work.... and pay for health insurance. If you're able-bodied and sitting at home watching Jerry Springer all day bitching and moaning about how the government isn't giving you the opportunity to be successful and healthy then, well, I can't help you...and neither should the government. Get off your nice person, read a book, take some classes, and be productive.

Now back to socialized medicine for kids and the elderly...especially the kids. I'm saddened that a child would have to suffer because their parent is a dead beat and can't pay for healthcare. As such, I'd vote for socialized medicine for children.... Knowing "stuff" happens, I also would be willing to concede in the event of someone losing their job some type of plan that would allow something similar to COBRA to extend benefits for a period of time while this person proves they're actively looking for a job... paid for by the government. A plan like this would be the government helping people that want (and need) to be helped, not helping people that just want to free load off the system.
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I've heard that Australia is very selective about who they let in. It would be hilarious if the aforementioned coach potatoes wanted to emigrate there only to be rejected for not being good enough. Americans have been dumbing down for so long and spend a lot of energy fighting for the right to be ignorant and the right to not be offended. Not exactly constitutional guarantees but you get my drift.

F8L · Nov 28, 2007

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tenebre @ Nov 28 2007, 07:17 AM) [snapback]545187[/snapback]</div>

As for the United Nations Statistics of the Human Development Report, out of the top 6 countries, at least 4 are pretty expensive to live and work in. Perhaps that is the price you have to pay? I'm not sure about Australia & Canada but the other four I have friends who've lived there or have lived there myself.
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I'd pay the price for health and security. I mean what else is this accumulation of wealth for really? So I can buy a boat or other worthless items? Nah, I'd rather contribute to the health of my country and live confortably knowing that I'm being taken care of equally. To me it is a lot better than living on the "dream" that I can start off poor and one day be extremely rich. Guess I'm not much of a gambling man.

ezbngrn · Nov 28, 2007

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I'd pay the price for health and security. I mean what else is this accumulation of wealth for really? So I can buy a boat or other worthless items? Nah, I'd rather contribute to the health of my country and live confortably knowing that I'm being taken care of equally. To me it is a lot better than living on the "dream" that I can start off poor and one day be extremely rich. Guess I'm not much of a gambling man.
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F8L u sure u don't want to run 4 president?

hyo silver · Nov 28, 2007

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Are you sure you won't reconsider Winnipeg?...
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Winterpeg? You were thinking of that as the first stop, right, just so she'd have something to compare to?

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F8L u sure u don't want to run 4 president?
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And have every tiny facet of his life - past, present, and future - magnified under a microscope and splashed all over the media? Even if F8L wanted to go bankrupt, I hunch he's smarter than that.

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