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The top sales article wasn't looking at manufacturer groups, it was looking at car models.

Or are you saying that Lexus are just Toyotas?

 

And the Model S outsells the LS.
Tesla Model S US car sales figures
Lexus LS US car sales figures

It was Tesla outselling other car groups' luxury brands that got them considering plug ins as something they needed to continue competing. Even the ones with FCEV programs.

Except Toyota. The only plug in Lexus has is because they needed one for China.

 

the positive take away ~
Lexus has to reach back three decades or so to be the greatest? Was 3 decades back the topic? Isn't it that the Mirai is a pretty car? To be polite .... 'okay'. Sustainable at current technology? In 10 years maybe.
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So much for dodging the question, and so much for credibility

World's Top-Selling Car - The New York Times
Worldwide, Ford took the number one spot
... followed buy Corolla, if we're changing topics, again
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Not so fast.

Lexus LS is a Full Size Luxury Car
Lexus LS - Wikipedia
Length 206inches

Tesla may fall in the same category dimension wise by some classifications, but that is very debatable, as it is debatable calling it a luxury vehicle
Tesla Model S - Wikipedia
Length 196inches

The CLS is called E-segment/Executive car, just for comparison
Mercedes-Benz CLS-Class (C257) - Wikipedia
Length 196inches

The current Lexus "competitor" for the Tesla ModelS might be the
Lexus ES - Wikipedia



The launched plug-in (BEV) Lexus is actually for China AND Europe, and I'm sure it will be available also for other markets, like USA's.

 

That doesn't answer the question of when hydrogen stations will be available outside of a part of California.

Besides, 21 days wouldn't cover my annual trips to my parents.

The LS is midsize under EPA classifications. And the Mirai has been called luxury here.

Regardless of how you or I view Teslas, the public and market views them as upscale/luxury models. In price and performance, the Model S is closer to the LS and CLS than the ES, and it outsells them both.

My point was on how those luxury brands reacted to a BEV, which no one supposedly wanted, outselling their models at the same price point.

How many EU countries have announced ICE car bans? How many cities already have ICE exclusion zones? Toyota's BEVs are still mostly because markets force them to sell them.

Which will be the case when it comes to the US. PHEVs soon won't be good enough for ZEV credits for them, and the Mirai will not sell enough. So Toyota will have to bring out BEVs or buy credits from Tesla. The Lexus's stats aren't very impressive compared to BEVs already available, so it likely won't get out of CARB states.

 

I can't really argue this point.

So let's put it in a museum.

You pick, an art museum or the museum of failed science and technology.

Mike

 

I simply don't like the hassle of flying.

Same way that Japanese article called the Mirai luxury; price.

 

Let's see under that POV of price...
Aston Martin Cygnet could have been compared to a Lexus IS. Three seats, though.
Was also the BMW i8 comparable to a Lexus LS, because of price? Awkwardly it has a 1.5 3-pot ICE...that's 5 cylinders less, though...

It all comes to an apple-to-apple comparison, under the logic of same segment.

 

These recent comparisons started when the Mirai was compared to a Model 6, or maybe it was this one. I didn't go back all the way through.

Well, somehow being on the top 25 sales list became important in this ongoing Tesla vs. Toyota beef, and I pointed out that the Model 3 was close to #25, and outsold the ES, RX, and NX, and no other luxury brand was on the list. Then the LS was mentioned, and the Model S is the closest model Tesla offers to it.

I agree. i don't see the point of paying more for a Lexus, Acura, Audi, etc. over a Toyota, Honda, VW, etc.

Let's assume that your opinion is fact; that the Model S is an overpriced pedestrian model. It outselling actual luxury models of around the same price would then be worse for those companies. How would Daimler react if an over priced Impala outsold the Mercedes E Class?

 

When did Tesla piss in your cheerios?

Tesla sales have not been hurt by the end of the federal tax credit. Then many states don't have the generous incentives like California, yet Tesla sells in them there.

Now, how will Mirai fare when losing the $8000 tax credit next year?

 

If you were going to buy the car anyway you'd have to be dumb to not take the money, right. If you feel guilty you can then donate it to charity. Are you going to get a tax credit for your Mirai ?

Mike

 

It was CPO, so no federal tax credit, but he did get that $15,000 fuel card that was likely 75% of the selling price, or even more. California does have a 'cash for clunkers' type program in a few areas that can be applied to used FCEVs, plug ins, and hybrids.