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Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by tochatihu, Jan 13, 2018.

  1. wjtracy

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    re: flu shots
    They seem to have a real smorgasbord of different types of flu shots...not sure where you have to go to get a certain version. Next year I get the 4x strength senior citizen version (lied about my age--really 39).
     
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    I'm probably one of the last people on earth to have received a smallpox vaccination. My allergist maintained that I couldn't take it, while my regular doctor was continually pushing for it. As a teenager, the regular doctor finally won and I got the vaccination. My arm swelled up double size, the lymph nodes under my arm swelled up, my temperature shot up, my mom made an urgent call to the doctor. I lost a week of school and it was miserable. Shortly after all that smallpox was declared gone and vaccination for it stopped. Thanks for nothing.

    After that I got a total of two flu shots. Sick in bed for over a week each time. Thanks again.

    These days I catch a cold/flu maybe every two or three years. And when I do, the symptoms are far less than I suffered when I got the flu shots.

    The difference is that I now take 20,000 IU of vitamin D3 and 3 gm of lyposomal C a day when well. Any hint of sickness and the D3 goes up to 50,000, and the lyposomal C up to 3 gm every 2 hours.

    My D3 blood test runs about 100 ng/ml (USA units) and calcium is high normal. Too high a D3 level for too long causes hypercalcemia, but it has never been documented for D3 levels below 200 ng/ml. The general population optimal level is 40-60 ng/ml according to http://www.grassrootshealth.net . My 100 ng/ml is just my opinion of where the research is pointing.

    Note that the flu shot doesn't provide immunity. It is supposed to challenge your immune system into developing the immunity. People with less than optimal immune systems such as the young, the old, transplant recipients, and I would add people with low D may not respond as intended. And if you've got a competent immune system, you probably can get along well without the challenge.

    The flu vaccine is a commercial success. Medically, there are some problems...
     
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    last people on earth to have received a smallpox vaccination@42. When was that? The smallpox tail is a very interesting tale.

    really 39@41 You will always be 39 for us.
     
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    the flu shot doesn't provide immunity. It is intended to challenge your immune system into developing the immunity.@42 completely correct. By which is meant, tricking immune to produce cells that are angry against a 'surface protein' that has not yet landed. It may be that most readers know this is the vaccination play in general.
     
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    I was born in 1944, and probably had that vaccination at about age 16. I guess that would be about 1960.

    Just googled it and the official year was 1971. Hope too many didn't have to suffer my experience.
     
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    One young woman in Scotland died of it last month despite hospitalisation.

    Shingles occurs in older folks, but it's origin is in the chicken pox virus, which lies dormant upon recovery from the initial effects. If for some reason it gets triggered in later life...... Kaboom! You got shingles!
     
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    Got it...so if anyone has thoughts about flu shots you inject Quackery...

    And god forbid bringing up something that every human should use, a tongue scrapper, dying to hear the negativity about a neti pot as obviously an ear wax candle is the devils work, by suggesting simple inexpensive ways to avoid sickness a wall of negativity appears, good show...the word prejudice comes to mind.
     
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    I believe you misread @tochatihu as I thought he was simply drawing reference to some publication with Quackery in its name. Not suggesting you were advocating quackery.
     
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    Source: Florida Boy Who Was Battling Rabies After Bat Scratch Dies - NBC 6 South Florida

    A 6-year-old Florida boy who was undergoing experimental treatment after being diagnosed with rabies has died.

    Ryker Roque passed away in an Orlando hospital, his father said Monday.

    Roque had been undergoing the treatment, called the Milwaukee protocol, after he was scratched by a bat. His father, Henry Roque, had found the sick bat and put it in a bucket, telling his son not to touch it.

    "So, apparently he put his hand in there and touched it and he said it only scratched him, so I frantically googled it real quick and it says to wash his hands with soap, hot water for five minutes," Henry Roque told NBC News.

    When Ryker complained of numb fingers and a headache a week later, he was rushed to the hospital. Ryker was put into a medically induced coma, forcing his body to create its own specialized antibodies to fight off the illness.

    The treatment has only worked twice in the U.S. and 18 times around the world.

    Usually we chat about populations or groups who are vaccinated or not. Examples include the flu, tetanus, polio, and childhood diseases. But rabies was the first and this brings it up front and personal.

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    Milwaukee rabies protocol is harsh but obviously failed in this case.

    Nobody ought to contact bats without sturdy gloves at least. Those babies bit and scratch like nobody's business.

    All bat research I know get rabies vaccinations and some others that I forgot. Anybody who works in caves needs to be aware of histoplasmosis.

    All that said bats are important insectivores and sometimes critical pollinators where their populations persist. I suppose on balance they are good things. But not good to touch.
     
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    Oops! I touched one from my porch and carried out into the house for advice from specialists. They corrected me and I survived.
     
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    Not all bats have rabies for sure. I took two away from indoor cats and both tested negative. Da wyf, incidentally, was not happy to have bagged bats in the freezer.

    But they are like hypodermic syringes with wings so precautions are appropriate.
     
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    Our dog was isolated for 10 days, $200, and I never raised a peep. Although I knew it was one piece of chicken and two dogs, the slight risks of rabies meant doing the job right.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Isn't Britain still entirely rabies-free?

    I remember there were all kinds of inspections and searches of our car for animals whenever we came back from France, because they were so keen to prevent it from spreading to Britain. (When I was 5, I got in terrible trouble with my parents for telling the Customs officer - for absolutely no reason - that we had an alsatian hidden in the boot. We didn't, but we did have way more wine than we were allowed, and undeclared fruit, and lots and lots of cheese.)

    Here in Australia, the problem with bats is hendra virus. We can't get it directly from bats, but bats can give it to horses, who can give it to us.
     
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    30,000 people in US get post-exposure prophylaxis every year:

    CDC - Bats - Rabies

    Suggesting there are a lot of RCOs out there:eek:. Sorry dude, but the name of the game is glove up.
     
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    Here, tongue scrapers are what the police use for drug-testing drivers.
     
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    Up where?
     
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