Foley - Who gets to claim him?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Oct 5 2006, 12:55 PM) [snapback]328495[/snapback]</div>

yeah, those pesky voters always vote with their emotions instead of their heads. It's worked so well for the cons for the past six years until now. Actually, Foley is the republican's Monika Lewinsky

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Oct 10 2006, 02:00 PM) [snapback]330721[/snapback]</div>

I did - I am still lost. Is this whole thing - about calling for the Speaker's resignation - about a instant message from somebody else - ie, foley? I mean - did he [foley] touch this kid or any other kid. My understanding is that the "page" in question has not brought up charges and still would return to the House as a page? And I thought that instant messages were protected forms of communication much like a telephone call? Not that I am condoning his behavior - I am not - totally disgusting and the guy should be taken care of - I am at a loss as to the crime and how it got to where it did in the press.

Thanks for helping me out here.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Oct 10 2006, 11:27 AM) [snapback]330745[/snapback]</div>

I should have known that there was an ulterior motive to your question. Shame on me for taking your bait.

By the way, soliciting sex with a minor across state lines is a federal crime.

Oh, take a look at Sunday's Los Angeles Times, there is an article in which a former page discusses having sexual relations with Foley (after he became of age and graduated college).

 

A guy at worked called it "Tom Folery" the other day.

 

MS gets to claim him.

 

lol

Take comfort in the fact that this sort of gambit is quite atypical for a doberman.

Any day now, I'm expecting the shrub to ask congress for powers to redefine sexual molestation on a case by case basis. Then we can have fshagan provide the legal analysis why Foley is actually an upstanding citizen.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EricGo @ Oct 10 2006, 03:39 PM) [snapback]330820[/snapback]</div>

Shrub already has "the powers" (according to him). He can interpret the law and the Constitution any way he wants (apparently), as long as we're at war. Which is why you won't see us getting out of Iraq while he's in office.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Oct 10 2006, 02:27 PM) [snapback]330745[/snapback]</div>

Then you must have been completely dumbfounded how oral sex between two consenting adults in D.C. became a topic of never ending discussion among republicans like yourself. Heterosexual, no less.
No, wait. You are the fellow who likes to write "BJ Clinton." So this just more hypocrisy. Who wudda thunk ?

Foley is a pervert -- not much to argue about there.
Concentrate on the political apparatus that let his molestations continue for YEARS.

 

Foley's Modus Operandi:

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Oct 10 2006, 12:30 PM) [snapback]330697[/snapback]</div>

David,

Did I read this wrong, was your family in the hospital for the last 9 days? If so, I hope it wasn't too serious and especially hope they are allreight now.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Oct 10 2006, 10:30 AM) [snapback]330697[/snapback]</div>

So far, the evidence shows Mr. Foley cultivated relationships with teens that in some cases later turned into sexual contact after the young men were of age. He also corresponded regarding penis size and masturbation with former Congressional pages who are now adults. So far, nothing illegal, but ABC News has said they have evidence of Mr. Foley using Instant Messages to speak to underage teens as well. That may or may not be a crime. The FBI is actively investigating the Instant Messages.

Much of this information has been known about Mr. Foley ... his preference for younger men of adult age, his correspondence with former Pages ... but that type of behaviour wouldn't raise an eyebrow if Mr. Foley was not a "values candidate", as most men his age prefer sexual partners who are just over the legal age no matter their gender preferences.

Some have tried to make him out to be a pedophile, but there's no indication of pedophilia. And some have tried to say he MUST have had sex or talked dirty with the under age Pages because he did with former Pages who were of the age of majority. I don't follow that reasoning, but I guess if the guy is on the other side of the political aisle you accept any scant evidence as "inconvertible" and dismiss more egregious, overt actions by guys you like as "courageous".

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EricGo @ Oct 10 2006, 01:39 PM) [snapback]330820[/snapback]</div>

Nope, not from me. I think his actions are morally reprehensible, and if he didn't resign from Congress, I would have supported his censure and expulsion even if none of his actions are illegal (and it doesn't appear that they are, but now that the FBI is investigating, I think we have to wait as witnesses will be encouraged to keep quiet as the investigation goes forward.)

I do think its important to be clear on what a pedophile is, and its not a man who likes 18 year olds. It is not a man who likes 16 year olds. Pedophilia is attraction to pre-pubescent children, not teens. The difference is significant because there is probably not as much mental harm done to a consenting 17 year old who has sex with a 50 year old; the child under the age of consent is usually truly victimized by sexual contact. Individual cases always show that people are indeed individuals, but the law recognizes the difference between sexual contact with a minor and child rape.

To claim that Mr. Foley is a pedophile based on the evidence so far is at best inaccurate, and at worst, a slander and a lie.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(fshagan @ Oct 10 2006, 11:25 PM) [snapback]331015[/snapback]</div>

Depends if you're talking from a medical standpoint or a legal one. It may not inaccurate or a lie to do so, depending on the specifics of the actions.

"The focus of pedophilia is sexual activity with a child. Many courts interpret this reference to age to mean children under the age of 18. Most mental health professionals, however, confine the definition of pedophilia to sexual activity with prepubescent children, who are generally age 13 or younger." Healthline definition of pedophelia

"Several U.S. laws safeguard youth from sexual predators, including the Mann Act, the Child Sexual Abuse Prevention Act of 1994, and the PROTECT Act of 2003. For example, federal law bars U.S. residents from engaging in sexual or pornographic activities anywhere in the world with a child under 18."
White House Fact Sheet: Operation Predator

Of course the real tragedy was the cover-up. And then there was the misplaced blaming campaign.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Oct 10 2006, 03:10 PM) [snapback]330775[/snapback]</div>

No other motive - honest. The page did not bring charges against foley did he? Who eavesdropped on his private e-mail message? Who published it? When did they become aware of this - if they knew about it months ago and let it out a few weeks before the election - is that not a problem - both morally and ethically not to mention legally as in becoming an accomplice?

And I did not think any crime was comitted - the message of his that i read did not solicit sex. So still please explain to me what the gig is here.

Another point here - there is the belief that mr foley should be kept away from minors because he is a homosexual - he obviously has not committed any sexual crimes on minors that we are aware of - then everyone must agree that the Boy Scouts should not allow homosexuals to be in any position of power or authority because they are dealing with only minors?? Same would be true for Girl Scouts or teachers, etc. Your thoughts please?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Oct 11 2006, 09:34 AM) [snapback]331119[/snapback]</div>

Exactly. The Republicans knew about this months ago -- even years ago, and did nothing of substance to stop it. That is the crux of the issue. And it was a Republican who leaked it, so stop trying to blame the Democrats who have nothing to do with any of this.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Oct 11 2006, 10:40 AM) [snapback]331126[/snapback]</div>

No no no ... it's he fault of that darned liberal media for actually reporting it.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EricGo @ Oct 10 2006, 04:53 PM) [snapback]330826[/snapback]</div>

I was not and am not interested in clintons adulterous relationship with whomever he chooses to mess around with - that is his business - NOT mine. I took offense at being lied to and when he lied under oath I took offense to that because if I had done the same i would have ended up in jail like you would have. I would have preferred if he got his hummer NOT in the Oval Office too - someplace more private would have been best.

I am very bothered by adults carrying on any relationships homosexual or heterosexual with minors and those who cannot defend themselves.

I am at a loss on how an PRIVATE e-mail became public and where the actual crime is since no charges are pending against him (the page has not brought any up and no accusations of foley even touching this kid exists today). Tell me where is the crime here that is fueling this fire.

And I am not a republican - I am a conservative with liberal thoughts like being pro-abortion.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Oct 11 2006, 10:14 AM) [snapback]331143[/snapback]</div>

Your posts are full of criticizm for Clinton's relationship with Monica. Did you forget about the Priuschat search feature? Here's an example:

dbermanmd:
"The problem with making a decision is making the decision. Clinton took the easy way out - probably much to our misfortune, by never making a decision (except to get that hummer in the Oval Office)."

Liberals are not pro-abortion. What a silly thing to be. They are pro-choice.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Oct 11 2006, 11:18 AM) [snapback]331145[/snapback]</div>

now back to the topic.

is foley's email confidential? What crime did he commit? If the page himself does not bring charges up, what should be done?

Thanks.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Oct 11 2006, 10:41 AM) [snapback]331159[/snapback]</div>

I assume the emails were made public by the pages. The FBI is investigating whether a crime was committed. The pages and their parents have made complaints for years against Foley, that apparently were not acted on appropriately, as this should have been stopped years ago. As others have said in this thread, we don't know whether a crime was committed, but we do know that Foley's position as mentor to these kids was abused and the lack of action on the part of the Republicans who knew about it is reprehensible. Although I'm not sure why I'm repeating what others have already said in this thread, since you could have easily read it yourself already if you bothered.