1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Frustrated in Seattle

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by S13orlando, Nov 6, 2016.

  1. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    108,909
    49,490
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    wait, there can't be two grandma's here.:p
     
  2. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    55,566
    38,726
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    My wife is the leadfoot in the family... :whistle:
     
  3. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    108,909
    49,490
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    how many miles on her?
     
  4. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    55,566
    38,726
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    Who we talking about? :ROFLMAO:
     
    Merkey likes this.
  5. S13orlando

    S13orlando Junior Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2015
    11
    5
    0
    Location:
    Orlando
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    I was having the Sam issue driving my daughters 2013 Prius earlier this year same route. She drives from Bothell to Seattle now. I just checked her car and it reads 46mpg. I has to. E the hills and the 1.1 mile route to work.
     
  6. fuzzy1

    fuzzy1 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2009
    17,323
    10,170
    90
    Location:
    Western Washington
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    If her car had the same problem on your route, but gets decent MPG on her route, then the problem is almost certainly the route, not the car.

    Your car is burning nearly as much fuel simply to warm up the engine to operating conditions, as it does to move the car a very short distance. A good solution is to get a car that doesn't need to warm its engine at all -- an electric plug-in model.
     
    Mendel Leisk likes this.
  7. S13orlando

    S13orlando Junior Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2015
    11
    5
    0
    Location:
    Orlando
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Three
     
  8. S13orlando

    S13orlando Junior Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2015
    11
    5
    0
    Location:
    Orlando
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    Merry Christmas Prius owners,
    I finally got to take a road trip. Bothell to Port Orchard. 130 miles st 65mph and averaged 47mpg !
     
    fuzzy1 and Mendel Leisk like this.
  9. fuzzy1

    fuzzy1 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2009
    17,323
    10,170
    90
    Location:
    Western Washington
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I'll ignore the fact that there is no legal 65 mph anywhere on that route.
     
  10. S13orlando

    S13orlando Junior Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2015
    11
    5
    0
    Location:
    Orlando
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    Ok so most of it was 60 mph. These Washington State Troopers are stealthy. I didn't see a one. Either way my crappy local Bothell mpg is the route and not the car. No codes, new Tires ( LRR BRIDGESTONE ) proper inflation (40 psi). Recent alignment. All services up to date. That 1.1 mile up a 30 degree angle or slope is a killer. Merry Christmas. Florida man living in Seattle !
     
  11. fuzzy1

    fuzzy1 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2009
    17,323
    10,170
    90
    Location:
    Western Washington
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Around the metro Seattle area, they are mostly absent. I normally see people getting busted elsewhere on my common travel routes. I'm away assisting dad right now. The guy pulled over just behind me yesterday by an Idaho state or county trooper, wasn't creeping up very fast and couldn't have been doing more than 5 over the limit. It was the same area my brother-in-law most frequently gets caught.
    As a reminder, my crude rule of thumb is that each cold start (with the ensuing warmup) consumes as much fuel as 2 miles of fully-warmed-up driving. My Prius can do this with half the total fuel that my old Subaru needed. The only way to improve on the Prius for this short a trip is to use a plug-in car that needs no engine warmup at all -- Hello PiP, Leaf, Volt, Tesla, Bolt, etc.
     
  12. bobzchemist

    bobzchemist Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2016
    507
    342
    0
    Location:
    Kennesaw, Georgia, USA
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    IV
    ...each cold start (with the ensuing warmup) consumes as much fuel as 2 miles of fully-warmed-up driving.

    That explains a lot. And I think the 12V battery has something to do with this as well. Before I changed out the battery, the lowest displayed mileage I got on my 2.8 mile morning commute (when the temp was below 30) was 17 mpg! Now, at the same temps, it's consistently closer to 36-38 mpg on the display. (Local roads, in traffic, 11 mph average speed)

    To test that it's the short drive and slow speed, I took a 100 mile drive on the highway this weekend, starting at the same time as I usually commute to work. Cruise control set at 60 mph for 90% of the trip. 52 mpg on the display, 50 calculated after I filled the tank back up.
     
  13. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    55,566
    38,726
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    Tell me there was a reason for this drive, lol.

    A block heater will help, shorten the warm up.
     
  14. bobzchemist

    bobzchemist Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2016
    507
    342
    0
    Location:
    Kennesaw, Georgia, USA
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    IV
    It was actually a pleasant Sunday morning drive with my wife, driving up into the hills north of Atlanta.
     
    Mendel Leisk and Raytheeagle like this.
  15. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    55,566
    38,726
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    Sounds like our drive to Harrison Hot Springs, from north Coquitlam, nice fall drive. There's a hot spring heated pool at the destination too.
     
  16. William Redoubt

    William Redoubt Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2016
    1,215
    1,165
    1
    Location:
    Coronado Island, California
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Agree. You should walk.

    No one in Seattle needs a block heater. Umbrellas? Yes.
     
    #36 William Redoubt, Dec 22, 2016
    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 23, 2016
  17. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    55,566
    38,726
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    You're talking to a guy that uses blockheater year 'round, incorrigible.
     
  18. fuzzy1

    fuzzy1 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2009
    17,323
    10,170
    90
    Location:
    Western Washington
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    OP is disabled, so won't be walking.
    Ordinary drivers don't need them here. But competitive hypermilers can benefit from block heaters in any climate.
     
  19. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2004
    44,933
    16,155
    41
    Location:
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Agreed. I'm getting 42mpg because of my short trips and hilly terrain without an EBH. It'll be closer to 47mpg if I used an EBH.
     
  20. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    55,566
    38,726
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    Regular use of block heater is beneficial for engine too I think: cold starts are tough on them.