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Fuel cell as emergency charger for PHeV?

Discussion in 'EV (Electric Vehicle) Discussion' started by R-P, Jan 6, 2012.

  1. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    it takes guts to do what Agassi is doing but what makes good people great is to be able to see the similarities in proven business models. his is so simple its almost too good to be true. the ONLY stumbling block is start up costs and making the right building decisions.

    starting in LA then San Diego and then bridging the two is ideal since they are only 100 miles away but that 100 miles covers several more million potential customers so Swap stations there would not be outposts rarely used.

    obviously bridging Spokane WA and Seattle WA would be waaay down the road, but Seattle and Portland ?? absolutely because that is 150 miles of very very pro EV country. once again, not the big population area but huge support and interest.


    its funny how some investments seem good but fail and others fly. a few years ago, i bought $500 of Ford stock (because my sister worked there and because of the FEH) it was a token purchase to show support. it was not a serious investment. i did have $20,000 to invest and put another $2500 into other green techs. that $2500 is now worth about $700 so not so good. the other $17,500 was invested and i ended up getting about $19,000 out of it.

    well, my Ford stock is now worth about $3,000 - $3500 and is climbing. (i dont really look at it much any more) i kick myself now for not having more confidence in Ford especially after knowing what i knew from my Sister who kept telling me about all the big things Ford was doing and they were the only company that did not get a "Payday loan" from Uncle Sam, etc...

    but BP is a stock to buy, i am fairly certain of that. it will take BP 5-7 years to get into most major cities and another 5-7 to link up the cities, but when all that is done, they will make money.

    now, the oil companies are simply waiting for BP to do the hard work (prove to the public that this will work) and then they will jump in and put up a nationwide network in 2 years time (its not like they need to save up the money) but they will first try to buy out BP and as soon as the stock adjusts from that, i will sell
     
  2. austingreen

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    lol, you may be better off financially listening to your sister and not your heart. The better place story doesn't play very well in america. If you make money its because of what they do in other countries -Isreal, Denmark, China - the density of electric vehicles works against them here.
     
  3. daniel

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    At least 9 out of 10 start-up companies fail. To say "They laughed at the Wright brothers," or "They laughed at Fulton," is an invalid argument, because you're selecting successes in hindsight while ignoring all the analogous failures. For a business to succeed it's got to take in more money than it lays out, and capital investment is an outlay.

    When I look at the capital outlay required by BP, and the potential market (which in my view is only a small slice of the EV market, which in turn is already small until battery technology advances considerably) I see a plan with too little potential returns for the capital outlay.

    For BP to spread as far as you are predicting, they'll have to raise a hundred times as much capital as they've raised so far. Or they'll remain a tiny niche company in small isolated markets like Israel and Hawai'i.

    Cell phones are not a valid analogy because the economics are so different. There are parallels, but the numbers are not similar.

    You did very well with your Ford stock, and I'm glad you did. But I think you took a bath when you bought Zenn as a proxy for EEStor. And EEStor is a better analogy here than Ford. Ford is an old and established company that you got into when its stock was way down, and the company managed to recover. BP and EEStor are both new, speculative companies of the sort that fail even more often than do start-ups in more conventional fields.

    I hope I'm wrong because I'd like to see lots more EVs on the road.