Fueleconomy.gov has the Prius Prime

finally.

 

i don't understand the ionique bev, it seems horse and buggy. but maybe for other countries? blue looks interesting, if it ever arrives.
i noticed that hyundai dropped their golf sponsorship in hawaii, times must be tough. i guess they didn't get the rising tide message.

 

I would find the Hyundai numbers impressive, if I believed them.
For now I'll assume they gamed the EPA until a lot of evidence says otherwise.

Like independent verification of their Cd values

 

same, gotta see it on the ground.

 

couldn't agree more. lose the front and the bubble glass and drop the price another grande.
and make the car reasonable to repair so insurance rates don't skyrocket.

 

Hey. At least Toyota didn't go in the direction of those new Jeep Cherokee s. . I for one enjoy the uniqueness of the gen 4 and prime. I can identify them in the morning and night. Now that's a statement!

 

Does that mean you also find the Prime small ? There is a lot of subjectivity, preferences and packaging that goes into these impressions so I'm asking out of honest curiosity.

Back in the day, the first thing that really attracted me to Japanese cars was their uncanny ability to to make interior space feel a lot bigger than it had a right to be from just looking at the car from the outside. I am a huge fan of sub-compacts that feel roomy in the inside.

 

Still not appearing in other sections on fueleconomy.gov like: Top Ten, Top Picks etc.

 

While I believe the Ioniq will arrive, I think back to waiting year to year (now almost 3 years) for the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV to arrive in the US and still no such beast exists. I finally threw in the towel and went with the Prius Prime losing a bunch of utility that I may eventually need. The Niro looks interesting even if going with one without the plugin capabilities to replace utility, but then I would be back to a two car world that I am trying to get out of.

The one thing the Ioniq seems to have on the Prime is capacity. Assuming the plugin will have near the same interior capacity as the BEV version, that is a nice increase in usable space.

 

We are missing the final, important piece on the Ioniq electric; price. Undercut the Bolt and Model 3 by a few thousand or so, and people will take a closer look at their actual range needs.

Hyundai got slapped hard with the Elantra, and it appears they are releasing EPA ratings for individual trims now.

Cd can't be eyeballed, the Prius c was slippery than the Insight2, and the c has a short typical hatchback profile, not a Kammback.

You think Toyota is trying to say "run away or I'll kill you."

Been ages since I was in a Prius, but I think the Sonic has more head room than the gen2.

 

i would think they'll have to undercut the leaf.

 

The Ioniq Electric has nearly 20 miles of range on the current Leaf. Doesn't look like much on paper, but it is big when you start looking at it in terms of a commute and range loss in winter.

The Leaf MSRP is around $34k. With the plan of shared parts with a better selling hybrid, Hyundai should be able to under cut the Leaf. Don't know if they can keep up with Nissan's heavy incentives though.

I expect the next Leaf to be priced around the Bolt and Model 3. I don't see them cutting the price if they are doubling the range.

 

i agree with tideland though. isn't leaf 2 more important? what are the range and price?

 

We know less than we do about the Ioniq or even the Model 3. Nissan has been pretty tight lipped. The sharp looking concept BEV that was at the shows last year may have nothing to do with the next Leaf.

They've stated it would have over 200 mile range. That's it.

A WAG on my part is that they'll offer a Al-air battery from Phinergy.