Gas Prices

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  1. priuscatprimeguy

    priuscatprimeguy Senior Member

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    $1.97/gal and with my Kroger fuel points of 60 cents per gallon brought the price down to $1.37/gal. Put $9.00 in:D
     
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    Stevepea, I don't know what to believe, one article backs up what you wrote, but then this article seems to be a bit more current and has BP's quote

    ARCO Not Leaving Southern California | CSP Daily News
     
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    2012? Think your a little out of date. BP sold ARCO to Tesoro back in 2013.
    http://articles.latimes.com/2013/may/17/business/la-fi-mo-bp-arco-tesoro-20130517

    Company History | TSOCORP
    ARCO Gas Stations | Quality TOP TIERĀ® Gas For Less AM/PM operates by lease.
     
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    Paid 1.989 yesterday. Crazy. Much less than that, and maybe I shouldn't have bought a Prime (honestly, I'd still charge it, because I'd rather not use gas at all).
     
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    That's unfortunate. ARCO seems to be going strong in northern California. ARCO is typically has the cheapest gas and is also top tier. I buy gas at ARCO when I can, not that it makes much difference driving the Prime.
     
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    Well the good time to buy a fuel efficient car is when the price of the car is lower.
    Now you are protected from future price increases...although I predict gaso prices will hit a minimum in Feb_2018, I have no idea what happens after that.

    Seems to me another big plug-in demand issue is whether or not California extends HOV stickers past 2019. I am expecting this, but not hearing much so far.
     
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    I remember seven or eight years ago hearing an "expert" on the radio announcing that because of the burgeoning economies in China and India that we would NEVER see gas at less than 4.00 per gallon again. Then, about two years ago, on the same station, there was another "expert" saying that gas would NEVER go about 2.00 per gallon again. Whenever anyone predicts gas prices, those two voices play simultaneously in my head.
     
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    i've been saying that interest rates are going to go up for the last 5 years.:rolleyes:
     
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    SOMEDAY gas prices will hit $10/gal in the U.S.! Now only question is, WHEN!!??

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    snail! don't poke the bear!:mad::eek:
     
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    Woof, woof!!. Hey I remember how much less traffic there was out here when gas was in the $4.00 neighborhood; $10/gal will be PARADISE!. My Papa was paying in the $8.00/gal range in Southern Frogland! It's not that far away!. There are some Hogs (gas), out there, but for the most part people drive more sensible cars than out here.

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    it will be soooo quiet with all those Primes driving around while the gusselers stay home:p
     
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    it is not about taxing you to death.. California maintains more roadways that Nebraska with a higher demand of fuel and we also use summer blends to offset emissions which are more expensive. The price of gas is much cheaper in California compared to Japan, France or Israel.
     
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    Surely the more people that buy the fuel and use the roads, the more tax dollars they get. Nebraska has less roadways, they also get way less tax dollars from fuel.

    There could be an entire discussion on California waste and mismanagement. But that's just the price of living here in CA....as is the price for Japan, France or Israel.
     
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    The current low gas prices are interesting.. it is a pretty warm summer here in Southern California.. so people are running their AC at home a bit which will place a consumer into higher billing rates.. gas is also relatively cheap right now.. with our 2013 PiP we get more miles per dollar on gas right now vs battery. We sill charge though ...
     
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    For now it's relatively cheap compared to the former CA gas prices a few years back. But wait until the next stage of gas taxes and higher car registration prices this fall......oh yes to pay for our roads.
     
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    (I know nobody's going to read this long post, but...)

    You're absolutely right, gas is cheaper in the US (incl Calif) than most other countries of the world. When we complain about $4/gal gas, just try to get anyone in Europe or Asia to be sympathetic. And one of the reasons 3.785 litres of gas (ie, a US Gallon) costs much more in other countries are taxes and VAT. With all the complaints about gas tax here, we probably have one of the lower rates of taxation on gasoline compared to the rest of the world.

    Up until a few years ago, when everyone powered their road vehicles the same (ie, gasoline or diesel) the US gas tax worked (in that only those who use the roads pay for it, and those who use the roads less pay less). But it's become tricky now that there's a major shift in both conservation and energy sources for the vehicles that operate on those roads. First, cars now use less fuel (which brings in less tax revenue) for the same amount of road usage. And as people start using alternate methods of power in which to use those roads, a solution has to be found. There might be 10,000 Tesla drivers in California right now, who (up until recently with the change in the law) didn't chip in one dime to support the upkeep of the roads they drive on every day. And even us with the Prime, though it uses gasoline as well, think about how many less trips you've made to the gas pump, both by plugging in, as well as the car's great MPG, from the number of times you might have gone to the gas pump 10 years ago (especially if you didn't have a hybrid back then).

    I know I just wrote up two paragraphs on this, but with all the things going on in this world right now, the amount of the gas tax is WAY down on the list of things that are of dire importance to me. It's needed for the upkeep of our roads, for which both we, and our country's economy depend upon -- and it's only one of many factors in the price of gas. If it weren't for the more expensive additives to make the air cleaner here in Calif, how many of us would want to have the extra pennies in our wallets if we have to walk outside into a brown haze and cough? I remember Los Angeles in the 1970s, and I've also spent time in India, China and places where the air pollution index level is off the charts bad -- where you can't see 1000 feet in front of you (and the numbers are televised daily because it's a literal daily health hazard). As much as we like to complain about potholes, try driving in parts of Africa after the rainy season; you often can't go more than 30kph because it's more pothole than road, because they either don't have the funds for upkeep, or corruption keeps the money from going to the roads. And I'm sure everyone here could write paragraphs on how gas prices mysteriously skyrocket whenever a refinery has a safety mishap (often killing people in the process), or multiple refineries "conveniently" all close at the same time for maintenance, but when markets send the price down, it takes a loooong time to slowly flitter down.

    Gas prices are temporarily low now, and everyone's rushing to buy their giant SUVs again. Honestly, if gas prices were $1 I'd still buy a Prime (and in the future, an all-EV car). The grid is by no means a perfect solution (just the other day there was a huge article in the LA Times about how California has too much solar capacity, and has been sending it free to Arizona to get rid of it -- not because we don't need it, but because we didn't invest in storage at the same rate we invested in solar fields -- hopefully that will change) but at least the grid in many areas is currently much cleaner than gasoline, and has the potential to become even cleaner in the future if we perfect and invest in storage. If I knew for sure I'd be staying where I am for the long-term, I'd invest in solar at my place, as a friend who owns a Leaf did long ago. 10 years from now, if having solar were to become as commonplace as having a 2nd bathroom in a single family house, can you imagine the difference?

    OK, I'll get off my soapbox. I guess I'm just kind of irked sometimes when I read how people react only to whatever the situation is currently, without any memory past the last 5 minutes. When gas hit $5, everyone started buying econoboxes. And now that it's back to $2.50, reports are showing people stopping buying Priuses in favor of going back to having twin Hummers in the driveway.

    We need to save all the oil we can (if only to use it for making plastic visor extensions for our Primes!)
     
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    Nope. He is in Disney World.
    Disneyland is in California, last I checked, but how would you know that? :LOL:
     
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