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Gen Four Lithium Batteries in 6 to eight years.

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Technical Discussion' started by padroo, Mar 6, 2018.

  1. bat4255

    bat4255 2017 Prius v #2 and 2008 Gen II #2

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    Our '08 is now 10 yrs. old w/ 150k and there have been no battery issues with the traction battery , even the 12 volt is OEM. Just as a precaution, we bought a '16v now that we are retired. My feeling is if you drive the car 15K+ per year, don't worry about it.
     
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    Thanks - I did wonder - but did a GOOGLE search and discovered this in The Onion's "ABOUT" section:
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    Sorry. I made the assumption that the article was so crazy that it was obviously humour.

    By the way, do not link directly to their site here. The link goes crazy.
     
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    That is why I no longer post Jalopnik links. Maybe The Onion also uses Kinja?

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    Likely. I do not usually read them but found that article a while ago.
    EDIT The Onion is specifically mentioned in this Wikipedia article.

    Kinja - Wikipedia
     
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    Jalopnik also uses Kinja.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

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    I recently saw 'my' 1989 Corolla All-Trac Station wagon in the background of a Pic by the young lady I gave it to in 2010.

    [​IMG]

    You are saying, when did it last move? She moved this year and moved the car then. The snow will need to be deeper before she resorts to it.
     
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    Are you telling me you've not seen the ancient auto's in Cuba? :eek::cautious::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
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    Ah, yes, forgot about them - unintentionally Classic Cars:
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    Make do and mend - at it's finest hour! (Quick snappy salute emoji is still missing, @Tideland Prius)
     
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    Does anybody know which particular Li-ion chemistry each of the Li-battery-equipped Prii use? I *think* that, as with Tesla, BMW uses Lithium-Cobalt, but I know that LEAF originally at least used Lithium-Manganese...

    Then again, Tesla and BMW (as well as GM) use much-more-effective liquid cooling, unlike Toyota and Nissan. At least Toyota uses forced air (when deemed necessary). The original and Gen-2 LEAF cooling systems are described as “passive,” arguably meaning “no cooling system,” which is a disaster waiting to happen here in Austin...

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    I tried searching for what type of Li-ION battery - but GOOGLE doesn't want to divulge this info.

    I suspect heat control is one of the reasons for TOYOTA to continue to develop the NiMH technology - from Gen 3 to Gen 4, the NiMH batteries are 2.4 percent lighter, 10 percent smaller, and recharge 28 percent faster.
     
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    That could be part of it. Another is wanting to use what they have the most experience with, predictability being a very critical part of ensuring reliability.

    Li has a bigger advantage over NiMH in specific energy (energy per unit weight) than in energy density (energy per unit volume). On an airplane, “weight is everything,” so to speak. On a car, it’s important certainly, but not nearly as critical.

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    Bass Bassoon?
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    Better know as a contrabassoon, yes. Octave below bassoon.

    Admittedly, I don’t get a lot of chance to play it recently. Plus it’s just a “cheap” (yeah right: $5K) Czech jobbie. A “real” contrabassoon costs about as much as a Prius!

    Actually, it plays pretty well though, and good fit and finish for a “cheapie.” Surprisingly nimble for such a big instrument!

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    alanclarkeau Senior Member

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    Can't say I've heard a contrabassoon - even a bassoon isn't common, though I played with one occasionally in my Church.

    I play piano and Pipe Organ (have an Allen Digital organ at home).

    Hope you enjoy playing it more and more - I get much more time with mine now I'm retired.
     
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    Applause all round for our symphonic duo.
     
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    alanclarkeau Senior Member

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    There's at least another Pipe Organist on PriusChat - I think in Melbourne Australia.
     
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    Ah, so we have a trio!
     
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    Not-superb live-recording setup here, but good enough:




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