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Global Warming: loading the extreme weather dice

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  1. Trebuchet

    Trebuchet Senior Member

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    I think linking "severe weather" to costs due to storm damage is misleading. Check this out . . .

    New Paper Finds Little Evidence Of Changes In Extreme Weather Events | The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF)

    US Sees All Time Record Low Number Of Tornadoes | The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF)

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    I think the "common perception" is due to technology, i.e. the increased ability to gather and disseminate news around the world.

    Why it seems that severe weather is “getting worse” when the data shows otherwise – a historical perspective | Watts Up With That?
     
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    Anthony Watts - SourceWatch
    Skeptical Science Search Results
    Leaked Heartland Institute documents pull back curtain on climate scepticism | Leo Hickman | Environment | guardian.co.uk

    Open Letter to London Mayor Boris Johnson - Weather is not Climate
    Piers Corbyn - SourceWatch

    PS, not to mention that your linked piece about the lack of tornados was written at the end of April, before the currrent spate of super cells that have plagued places like OK City, once again reinforcing how stats are a fical master. Timing is everything. Sort of like the guys who like to complain that gas prices have doubled since Obama came into office, sort of conviently forgetting the economic circumstances that dropped prices in the first place!

    Just to be cler, I am not making the asseertion that tornados (or hurricanes, or snow storms or what ever weather events) are directly climate change induced. What I am suggesting is that climate change is here, it is real and it is human exacerbated, and that the extreme events are seeing are indicative of what we will continue to see, ever more frequently going forward.

    Icarus
     
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  3. Trebuchet

    Trebuchet Senior Member

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    ^ The data speaks for itself. Recorded by and compiled by others not "Watt's Up" or Corbyn. If you have data showing something different, post it. Otherwise your just making noise. Chech the third from the bottom . . .

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    If that was so, then denialists are deaf in addition to being brain dead.
     
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    Cool TREB,

    The right wing food pyramid...you must be taking lessons from MP, using this cool graphic as directed.

    Icarus
     
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  6. Trebuchet

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    ^ If the shoe fits wear it. I see you conveniently edit your post after the fact to include some data. Tricky Icky! LoL!
     
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  7. Trebuchet

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    Ahhhh, bottom of the pyramid, well done! LoL!

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    There is a good reason why he and a couple of others remain on my 'Ignore User' list. There came a time when there was too much static so I just had to turn up the squelch. In one respect, I fully realized it would only mean more noise . . . for others.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    There are many studies, but ocean flora have a lot to do with things other than carbon dioxide.
    The biology of higher co2 in plants is very straightforward. More CO2 means that you can have smaller or fewer stoma. Fewer stoma takes less effort for the plant and reduces water loss, allowing plants to be bigger and more draught resistant. There are many other factors, but more CO2 is going to help plants. More CO2 will not necessarily help crops though, and that is where the only controversy lies. Plants are a natural negative CO2 feedback mechanism, but since man has plowed under and covered the world with concreate part of the relationship is lost.


    Yep, we are in the anthropogenic age. When man has brought changes natural feedbacks no longer work. In my little area in the world LCRA has done a good job in the other direction though. The rivers have been damned and set to flow, reducing the impacts of floods and droughts in the area. Other places have put up dams and caused more damage though.
     
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  10. Trebuchet

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    It is difficult to listen to different opinions or have a pet world view questioned.
     
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    I listen to opinions of scientists, give particular weight to the experts, and ignore the opinions of people like you. Think about it for a moment: what possible justification can you present for having an opinion on science you do not understand ?
     
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    I see you have the same difficulty, it's good Bob has company.
     
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    Care to answer the question ?
     
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    Trebuchet Senior Member

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    What question?
     
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    That's not a question it's a statement based on an assumption and framed in condescending manner, try again.
     
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    Sure Treb, I'll play along although condescension is in the eye of the beholder.

    What is your science background in general, and in regard to Earth science in particular ?
     
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  18. Trebuchet

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    Why?
     
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    ROFL
     
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  20. Trebuchet

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    Care to answer the question?
     
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