GM, Nissan, Tesla intro new EVs

I'm sorry - the article lost me at "GM ... largest auto maker"

Toyota is world's largest automaker again - Business on NBCNews.com

Maybe if they stop lying some day, I can start to believe them when they say, "we have quality now ... no really! ..."
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uhh....you selectively quoted that...you left out "NATION'S" which means it is the largest US manufacturer, which is correct.

Here is the FULL QUOTE: "On Tuesday, GM, the nation’s largest automaker, unveiled the Cadillac ELR, a luxury version of the Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid, and said it would be offered for sale later this year."

 

Hill, that was terribly misleading, I am a bit surprised that came from you.

 

Nothing new from Toyota?

 

I was bullied in another similar thread basically because of same car presentation to the masses.
GM is not introducing any innovation. They are relabeling a sub-par quality product with probably more weight and some bling at a higher ticket price. Certainly is another Avant-garde means of transportation with a vast $$ fringe benefits

 

I'm sorry but over the decades (starting with my Chevy Vega) I've learned that GM's "statements" always have an asterisk next to it. In this case they left the asterisk out altogether. The asterisk would have stated something like, " we only made it to #1 (in the U.S. - not the world) because;
Japan got hit by a devastating tidal wave
Japan got hit by a devastating earthquake
Japan was hit by a nuclear meltdown
Japan lost electrical power ... etc. ... & because
The United States bought most of GM's nearly worthless stock
GM declared bankruptcy - forcing the public to pay superfunds to clean up GM's 100's of acres of abandoned / toxic manufacturing sites - and GM's creditors to eat there debt".
Yea ... excuse me for MY misleading
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There is a difference between electrified vehicle and electric vehicle.

Nissan and Tesla introduced electric vehicles. GM introduced an electrified vehicle (PHEV to be specific).

 

Well apparently we're supposed to give slack here while talking about GM goods
I'll segway then. Is the Caddy hybrid suposed to only be a 4 seater? By looking at those cushy front seats in the article's picture, it'd be hard to imagine jam'in a 5th one in there.

Oh - and piggybacking off usb's comment (regarding difference between) ... Nissan didn't even introduce a new vehicle. They just dropped the price. You'd have to make a leap that price (or alternated features) qualifies as a new vehicle. Can the Volt be re-packaged as a Caddy? Isn't that (in part) how GM went bankrupt in the 1st place? ... changing the chrome molding, hubcaps, carburater, tail lights and calling the vehicle a different vehicle under multiple brands? Do people still buy into that? ... puts tons of luxury stuff in the same car, with a different sticker, and now boom ... it's a "better" car that's worth the extra money. Guess I'm over thinking it ... but why not just call feature laden Volt what it is ... it's the expensive Volt. I know ... Lexus / Toyota and everyone else does it too.
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I agree that GM has done some terrible things and made some terribly misleading statements, but I thought you were better than them.

For you to quote the article as saying "GM ... largest auto maker" when what the article said was "GM, the nation's largest automaker" is dishonest.

GM's bad behavior does not excuse yours.

 

Yup, the same 4 seater classified as a compact car. Still requires premium gas and 12 hours to recharge from 120V plug. 9 cubic feet cargo volume so one golf bag should fit.

 

No slack needed, just hold back on the dishonesty please
Yes, it is a four seater.
Frankly, I was hoping for more electric range. The interior is very nice, and they definitely put more effort into the styling. But what is important to me isn't the styling, it is the range and cutting down on oil use.

I don't believe they have announced price yet, but I just don't see much appeal to it. Some, but not much. GM doesn't either, as I recall they are planning on a limited run of 1500.
Hopefully some that would have bought Caddies anyway will buy a more efficient ELR.

 

Cadillac Shows ELR With Powertrain Beloved by Volt Owners - Bloomberg

There you have a possible price, and an analyst's volume projection.

Which means that many on these threads are not correctly looking at the car

Its about image of the brand. They aren't trying to get high sales. Keeping the battery size the same keeps costs down for the car. Still I was expecting an announcement of small changes to the ice/hybrid system, and there were none. There still is hope that GM simply is waiting to announce these to not hurt current volt sales, but the only drive changes for the ELR may be software.

 

let'see...VW Phaeton -> Bentley Flying Spur & Audi A8...BMW 7 series -> Roll Royce Ghost.. Mercedes E Class -> Chrysler 300. . VW Golf -> Audi TT.. Toyota Aygo ->Citroen C1 & Peugeot 107. Multiple Honda -> Rover....etc etc etc

GM isn't just "changing the chrome molding, hubcaps, carburate [sic], tail lights" they are simply using the platform. Its called platform sharing and EVERY automaker does it. And the Ghost, Flying Spur, 300, and TT are all successful vehicles as well as the cars they are based upon.

 

No, it's basically" changing the chrome molding, hubcaps, GUI, tail lights" to please certain hip crowd. Ah forgot, GM may include the remote controlled pneumatic shocks

 

No different then what all the other companies INCLUDING TOYOTA do...lest we forget all Lexus models

 

Come on, it is more than that. The front suspension is different, although the rear is torsion beam.

It has more power and quicker than Volt. Still, the top speed is 100 mph and 0-60 acceleration is just 2 seconds faster than Prius, for $75k?

 

Not really, materials, exterior, interior, etc are major changes. The changes probably are more than on how the Camry becomes the Lexus ES, or Highlander becomes the Lexus RX. There is always a market for such changes when done well. This is a different idea though, and is more about rehabilitating Cadilac's reputation than selling vehicles.

 

did usbseawolf2000 give his account to dbcassidy?

 

Right now we are talking about a "concept car ". Lets wait and see what would GM present us by 2014, hopefully will introduce an extended EV range for the life sake of the Caddi bling spenders.
Who knows, GM may include a pair of goldish hanging testicles in the rear end of the vehicle to.