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GM Volt in 2013

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by jtmhog, Dec 5, 2007.

  1. BigFoot

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    That is exactly the point I was trying to make! I never said they'll be littering the sides of every road in town. They will break, and they will require maintenance. That's all I was saying.
     
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    Sounds to me like those parts were defective. A nondefective properly designed electrical part will last for years.
     
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    Wrong in what context? Did I say gas cars weren't more complex than an EV? I didn't, and wouldn't.

    Gas cars will be around for a long time yet. I don't think dealership service departments need worry about any lost revenue for the foreseeable future.
     
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    I think the 'wrong' part has to do with terminology.
    "Maintenence", for cars, usually refers to routine care such as oil changes, filter changes, lube, PCV valves, etc.
    You seem to be using the term interchangably with "Repair"...fixing cars when they're broken.
    Thus, you're 'wrong' that EVs will require significant maintenance. They may well require significant repairs....even so probably not on par with conventionals.
     
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    Then I wasn't wrong. I've already stated here, I work in the auto industry. I know the difference between maintenance and repair. I never said the maintenance on an EV would be significant, I just said that they would need it. I never said their need for repair would be frequent, I just said they would need them. Is there anything more you need me to clarify about the one sentence post I made two pages ago????
     
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    wow, tad defensive aren't you? I was simply trying to explain why the two of you aren't seeing eye to eye on this. But, since you brought it up, my impression, from your comments, was that you were suggesting that maintenance costs would be significant. The fact of the matter is that they'll be almost non-existant on EVs. Darell has said that he's spent a total of $88 on maintenance of his Rav4EV over the past 5? years. I've spent 3 times that at my 60k mile service alone.
    So, if you wanna get in a pissing match over this, which you seem inclined to be, the maintenance cost of an EV is negligible compared to a conventional vehicle.
     
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    I am a little defensive when I feel words are being put into my mouth. I never said that it would be significant, I didn't mean it would be significant. I have no interest in a pissing match, I just wanted to be crystal clear on what I said, which was "No vehicle, EV or not, is maintenance-free." From your mention of the maintenance EV's do require, we can agree on this, can't we?:confused:
     
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    Wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, and yes we can agree that it won't be maintenance free.
    But I think we can also agree that the auto manufacterers/dealers stand to miss out on billions of dollars in profits with the advent of EVs and the departure of conventional vehicles. And that said loss in $$ is a good reason for the manufacturers to resist EVs. Yes?
     
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    Sure it is. But like I stated a couple of posts ago, the gasoline engine will be powering cars for many years to come, so I don't think the service departments will be hurting for revenue because the manufacturer is selling two or three EV models. Will they be hurting 50 to 100 years from now? Maybe.:)

    BTW: The words I felt were being "put in my mouth" were significant and frequent, which I never used in my posts. :)
     
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    I do not know, to me that seems a tad... not realistic. Unless he's never needed tires or wiper blades, or windshield washer fluid, or brakes (which is possible)... 88 seems low.

    I mean, heck, even a decent tire is around 60 bucks...
     
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    Thats alright, you can just rely on Fidel the murderer

    Btw your hero Castro still has a huge fleet of 50s US cars polluting the environment

    No hybrids in Havanna
     
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    OK, heres a few steps

    GM now has hybrids, btw GM owns a considerable share of Toyota stock :D

    GM also released the Volt concept car which is a pretty huge step

    and they released their skateboard concept a few years back

    No cars for Communists yet though
     
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    GM stopped building the EV1 because they lost $ on every car and everybody stopped leasing them

    GM is not a charity organization, I know the socialists and Communists hate this but GM is in the business to MAKE $$

    If GM could make more $$ selling hybrids than SUVs they would be cranking out hybrids by the 1000 tomorrow
     
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    And, all of the people who leased the EV-1 and begged GM to allow them to purchase the car (or otherwise extend the lease when it was up) are just a bunch of Commie liars? They never really wanted to buy the EV-1s at the end of the lease, right? It was all a big PR lie by the Commies....

    Well, if that were in fact true (that GM is not a charity organization), they (GM) would have sold every one of the EV-1s to call the Commie liars for what they were... kind of like having them put their money where their mouth was.... Waaaaa... bad GM, they wouldn't sell me the EV-1 that I was leasing...; waaaaa.... Well, okay; you want to buy the car? Fine, it will cost you $20,000 (or whatever the depreciated cost was at the end of the lease) and please sign this release of liability.

    Selling the cars sure would have cut GMs losses on the project. But since GM elected to crush every one of them (with one or two kept for a museum somewhere), I have to conclude that GM is in fact operating at times like a charity organization.

    According to GM a few years back, the SUV vs. hybrid cost-benefit equation doesn't turn positive until gas prices go north of $3/gallon. GM (and Ford and Chrysler) bet that gas prices wouldn't go north of $3/gallon for at least 10 years. Guess what, they lost their bet. What was it that Rummy used to respond when asked about his f**kup in Iraq: Stuff happens....
     
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    First, Warhorse, you really should figure out how to use the multiquote function. Unless, of course, you are intentionally attempting to bump up your post numbers.

    Secondly, There is only one mention in this thread about Fidel Castro and communists. For the record, YOU MADE THEM!

    It's a well-known tactic that if you can not stand on merit or facts you should resort to personal and emotional attacks including name-calling and topic shifts. It might be allowed in docu-dramas and prime time television, but it will not be tolerated here.

    Stick to the facts and stay on topic.
     
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    OK, let me get this straight: GM made more money taking back Ev1s, and then crushing and burying them, from people who would have paid a lot of money to keep them than it did from taking these people's money and not crushing and burying them.

    Uh-oh. Quick! Call us Communists before anyone notices the flaw in the above logic!