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Help! Rats ran into engine compartment and broke a wire.

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by KUANFU, Aug 13, 2017.

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  1. KUANFU

    KUANFU Junior Member

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    Background info:
    It's a Prius PIP first gen 2014.
    I think the design of this part should be the same, so I post it here.

    Question:
    Can anyone help me to identify the purpose of this wire?

    Details:
    I got VSC, ABS, and break light all on when I started my car yesterday.
    I have scheduled the Toyota dealer to check up.
    But I'd like to know more about it before I take my car to the dealer.

    After opening the hood, I found signs of rodent intrusion, and one wire was broken.
    The wire bundle is right behind the driver side front light assembly, with two fine wires: one brown, one white with black stripe. It is taped together with the low beam wire bundle.

    If this wire is the culprit, I'll cancel the dealer appointment and try to fix it myself (it is hard to reach, though).

    Any information is appreciated.
     

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    Welcome. What a crummy subject to have to start with for a first post. :(

    From what I can tell, it looks like it just goes to the turn signal or another light in there. At least that what it looks like on mine. I wonder if there's other damage you haven't found yet that's giving you the alarms.
     
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    I'd second that. Maybe better let the dealership troubleshoot. Could this be a "comprehensive" insurance claim?
     
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    Bit of a bummer! I've had a mousey family take up residence in my previous Toyota (Corolla DX Wagon, 292,000 miles, which had to be euthanized after failing state inspection (rotten rocker-panels) - see threads passim) and I found that mousies can be deterred by scattering moth-balls in all the crevices in the garage where they tend to have their runs. However I've been using my current Toyota (2009 Gen II Prius) to transport kitties for the local kitty-shelter, and I think the local mousie population is turned off by the smell of the "essence du kitties" in my car and all the carriers in my garage, since I've not noticed a mousie problem in my car or garage in the past 2 or 3 years! - hope this helps - Wil :)

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  5. Patrick Wong

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    The dealer repair bill is going to be high because they are going to want to replace any damaged wiring harnesses vs. repairing any broken wires. So if you want to avoid a four-digit repair bill, you may want to exert extra effort to identify and repair any broken wires yourself, if you feel competent to do so.
     
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    Agreed. And unlike the title, this isn't a wire it's multiple wires in a small harness. Any competent shop can fix this without needing to replace the entire harness. They may need the wiring schematics but there should be enough on the other end to match everything without them.
     
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    Could dealership just diagnose and ID, leave it to customer to repair? And maybe advise. I mean some might be readily repairable, and some more risky, say the high voltage. Not sure.
     
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    Are their signs of mice in the interior?
    I had them now I park on top of one of the do dads that emits noise that deters them, well, three years with no sign of mice, mothballs scare me, you should definitely splice the wires you see together and see if it throws codes, if the varmits got to wires that are not yet known, well, one step at a time.
     
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    Thanks for all the replies and suggestions.
    Just like jerrymildred and Mendel mentioned, the bundle with brown wire is for the side light.

    After some more investigation, I found another broken bundle.
    I opened up the molding around the front wheel and saw the broken bundle leads to the front wheel axle and one blue device above the front wheel, as shown in the attached picture. They look like some sensors, so I guess that's probably the culprit of those VSC/ABS lights.

    IMAG0753.jpg
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    I connected them back and tested it, but the VSC/ABS lights are still on.
    I wonder if there is a RESET needed or something.
    I probably need to bring my Prius to dealer or other garage for some diagnostics.
     
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    BTW, there are several places in the engine compartment that have been bitten by rodents. I also found rodent pooh in the cabin air filter.
     
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    The codes will stay in the system after the problem is resolved (normally, to aid in diagnosis). It may take a few start-ups to reset the dash lights, but you do want to make sure that nothing has been rendered non-functional (particularly safety features) by the rodent damage.
     
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    Update: all the lights are off now after I momentarily disconnected the 12V battery.
    Thanks for everyone's help.

    Because the wire connection I made was temporary, I will get some butt connector and properly seal them before I drive it on highway.

    BTW, while I searched for the replacement of the broken harness, I found that all the wires in the entire engine compartment is one piece of harness. The price online is $2350.

    ELECTRICAL/WIRING HARNESS FOR 2014 TOYOTA PRIUS PLUG-IN
    82111-47A63 Engine Harness $2,344.79

    I'm glad that the broken wire in my car is accessible :)
     
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    $2400? WOW! :cry:

    Well, it's good to hear you've been successful in the repair but what you've done so far is treat the symptoms. The cause is an infestation and you'll need to address that ASAP. Sorry, I've have no advice but others here have dealt with this before.

    GOOD LUCK!
     
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    The best thing will be butt connectors with heat shrink. After you crimp either use a heat gun (hair dryer may work) or, if you're careful, waive the flame from a lighter over the heat shrink tubing.

    Get the size that will fit your wire gauge. Example


    Pixel XL ?
     
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    You can solder it will just take more time

    Pixel XL ?
     
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    You can solder it will just take more time

    Pixel XL ?
     
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    I'm thinking more durable/solid too. I agree, trickier. Again, slide shrink tubing on beforehand. And whenever possible, stagger the splices.
     
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    Mendel brings up an important issue with crimping: always do a quick tug test

    Pixel XL ?
     
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    Thanks for all the advices.

    After I realized that my auto insurance can cover that (with $500 deductible), I'm considering bringing it to dealership.
    If I'm going to fix it myself, I'll probably use butt connector with heat shrink wrap, but I'll need to find a piece of wire to make up the broken part.
    It'll probably cost me 3 hours and $10.

    The concern for the dealership route is that it is a big waste of earth resource.
    The $2400 worth of harness will be discarded even though 99% of it is still good.
    The advantage is of course better signal integrity.

    Have to think about it more carefully.

    Regarding the infestation, I'm working on that as well with peppermint and rat bait.
    Hope that would work.
     
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    If you can fix the wiring damage yourself, I think that would be the best course. Save your insurance for a time when the mice do damage to your car that you cannot repair.

    The dealer would charge you for the harness plus probably 10-12 hours of labor.
     
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