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  1. bisco

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    when it's too warm (and/or humid) to leave the windows open and use fans, we usually set it at 74f during the day, then notch it down to 73 at dinnertime, and 72 at bedtime.
    when we get up, we reset to 74.

    with the heatwave this weekend, i got to wondering if it is more efficient to leave it at 72 or keep doing it the way we have been.

    all opinions welcome, science even more. thanks all!
     
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    Is there incentive from the local utility provider to change your behavior?

    Out here they’ll charge more during “peak times” therefore prompting thought on changing your comfort parameters.

    Her parents (who live 5 doors down from us) say “meh” to this and they leave their house at 73 all the time.

    Us on the other hand (remember my CFO is thrifty) sets the thermostat higher at 78-80 then we turn it down at night to 72.

    All depends on the equation and your comfort.
     
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    nope :(
     
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    we used to run it at 75 and turn it down to 70 to sleep. but i found the unit struggled to bring it down 5 degrees, seemed like it was running all night.

    unfortunately, our bedroom is 2 degrees warmer than the kitchen/family room, due to the a/c setup
     
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    How efficient is your AC? Older unit?

    We installed a new 2 stage unit when we moved into our house (the old unit was 22 years old and you could hear it run on the other side of the house):eek:.

    The 2 stage unit runs at 3 tons and if it needs more due to load or settings, runs at 5 tons. For us, we have a 2 story and we shut the upper thermostat off during the day as no one is up there;).

    At night just before we go up there for good we set it to 73 F and the 5 tons does it’s job quickly:).

    With an older unit, I’d not try to make it run any harder than you need to (unless you’re looking to upgrade), so a consistent setting would be easier on the components IMO(y).
     
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    Sounds like there might be an opportunity in the air flow and intake space:whistle:.

    We had a similar thing in a house we had in Richmond, VA. When we installed a new unit there, we changed the air flow to make more sense:).

    That helped a lot(y).
     
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    we have a 10 year old high speed system. it gets checked every spring (fwiw) and i keep the filter clean.

    the outlets have plugs, so we can shut off any room we want to. upstairs is always closed unless we have house guests.
     
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    it was installed during a remodel of our 1950's cape. still could use more insulation, but capes are tough.

    that's why we went with the high speed, there was no room for ductwork.

    unfortunately, there's only one return, which is why the bedroom runs a little warmer i think.

    too bad, because i don't think it would have been difficult to put one there when the walls and ceilings were all open.
     
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    The longer it runs, the more you’ll spend. With today’s heat in the eastern USA I don’t think it’s going to run any less set to 74°F.
     
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    When the outside temp is X and the interior temp is Y, heat gain is directly related to the delta between X and Y. Keeping the interior of the home warmer will reduce the heat gain and reduce the amount of energy needed to maintain that temperature.

    This is independent of any direct solar gain and shading.
     
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    My point was that the thermostat may already be in hysteresis at 74, so setting it to 72 wouldn’t be likely to back it down from an enduring all-day duty demand on the output terminals.
     
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    what does that mean in english?:p
     
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    if it’s already running flat-out, leaving the thermostat set low from the night before isn’t likely to help. If it is still only cranking part time then leaving it low in the morning is only going to make it run more.
     
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    it never runs continuously, but leaving it at 72 24/7 will be just as efficient as setting it up and down each day?
     
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    How’s the insulation in the cape?

    If you’re not sealed up well, that could be an issue;).


    A lot goes into the equation (y).
     
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    No. The longer you leave the home at higher temperature, the less energy required to keep it at that temperature.

    If your system is old or undersized or struggling in the first place, the downward temperature changes could challenge it. Otherwise, it will cool the house to the lower temperature when commanded.
     
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    No. If it’s only running part time then I didn’t give your system enough credit.

    When you slack it back to 74 in the morning it spends less time running to maintain it vs. leaving it at 72. Keep doing that to maintain your savings, you’re already doing it right.
     
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    It just depends on the end game too;)

    • Is 72 F more desirable for the occupants?
    • Is 74 F acceptable?
    • Is the system operating and not overworking?
    • Is this an experiment to see capability?
    • Is this an experiment to see cost effects?
    • Etc
    I like data based decisions and understanding the ‘why’(y).
     
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    While that might SEEM to be the efficient thing to do, sometimes it isn't as good as you think.

    Often there is very little insulation BETWEEN rooms......so letting some of then rise to 10 or more degrees hotter tends to make the adjoining rooms feel hotter too.

    Also a ceiling fan on LOW can be very beneficial in the bedroom. Might allow you to set the main thermostat up one or two degrees higher.

    My programmed thermostat is set similar to what you said......but it only toggles down once; one degree a half hour before our "normal" bed time and back up the next morning.
     
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    If you get an energy logger like the Spyder you’d be able to get real statistics on how much time it spends running and what it draws. Much better feedback than just waiting for the power bill.
     
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