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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by hill, May 28, 2024.

  1. bisco

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    I guess they’ll just need to have a gasser fire and all cars will be banned from the car park
     
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    Incidentally, the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority trains (light-rail and subway) ban gas-powered bikes and scooters due to fire risk but not electric bikes and scooters.
     
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    Give them time.
     
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    Likely they are either under the auspices of the state, or are of the same bent
     
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    Haven't the city folk also killed off gas string trimmers & leaf blowers as well?
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    Some cities have, for good cause. Electric ones are much quieter.

    The gas rigs still make some sense in less-dense settings.
     
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    From the article:

    "Stories of electric vehicles catching fire or exploding appear regularly in the media, but EV makers and industry groups say petrol-powered cars are far more likely to catch fire.

    A study last year by the Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency found that there were 3.8 fires per 100,000 electric or hybrid cars in 2022, compared to 68 fires per 100,000 for all fuel types, with the latter figures including arson." [/quote]

    IIRC from previous figures quoted here, gas and diesel vehicle fires in the U.S. are so rare :rolleyes:, they happen only once every 2 or 3 minutes.

    I wonder if Merseyside Fire and Rescue also still refuses or seriously delays extricating patients from hybrid vehicle crashes in order to avoid electrocuting themselves from those extremely dangerous high voltage systems, like some informed :rolleyes: U.S. first responder agencies were doing when I joined this forum fifteen years ago.
     
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    I wish. I hate them. They cause so much noise and air pollution. No, but California is banning the sale of new gas-powered equipment.
     
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    What do fires per miles driven have to do with anything? Still don’t understand. I know there are accidents. I have both a gas tank and a battery, double whammy.
    I just got a card from my garbage company depicting a burning dumpster and a burning garbage truck. They are trying to keep batteries out of the waste. Not just the chemical hazards from batteries but that lithium ion does catch on fire, most of the kind made now.
    I can understand why hospital staff has to band them up. Must be like fire proof cloth.
     
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    its pretty easy to understand. When you draft statistics, you consider a largerer base number for likelihood of truth accuracy. Automotive driving is based on per million miles - so - if you have an accident per million miles, theft per million miles, mechanical failure per mil liles, fire per million miles, it gives you an inkling of an idea of how often it will occur, or how different it will be based on different criteria. Stats show gassers catch on fire per million miles more frequently than Electric cars. Pretty simple.
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    Fires can happen in the garage. GM said park the Bolt outside before the repair. Garage, parked, no miles. More accurate would be number of cars of the same years as Tesla, fires per thousand gas cars versus fires per thousand ev’s.
    Another great mystery in choosing per million miles. Miles where, and by who, people driving large numbers of old gas cars, versus new Tesla cars? We should count the fires to see who is better? Not really.
     
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    fires when the cars aren't on or charging (unless there are charing stations in the car park) would be most accurate, but you probably can't find it, and they do have to drive into and out of the car park, as well as park.
     
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    So, by the above logic, a fleet of 100 gassers that drove 100 thousand miles each for a total of 10 million miles .... & had 10 fires .... while a 100 teslas had just 1 fire over 100k miles, it would mean nothing. Ok if that floats your boat.
     
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    Cars in a garage have miles on the odometer. Per million miles is used gives perspective on the car's age, level of use, and wear for when the event happened. You seem to be reading it as event only happening while the car is in motion.

    Using the numbers from @hill "a fleet of 100 gassers that drove 100 thousand miles each for a total of 10 million miles .... & had 10 fires .... while a 100 teslas had just 1 fire over 100k miles"
    Going by just number of cars. The 100 gassers had 10 fires, or 10% chance. The Teslas is 1%.
    Consider the miles, and a Tesla has a 1% chance of catching fire in a thousand miles of driving. A gasser has to go 100k miles to reach that 10% chance.

    More detailed stats are out there. For car fires that started in a parked car, most happen because of a short in the 12V system some where. Many of those are because a connection came loose or insulation got worn off a wire. That requires the vibrations of the car being driven. A car rarely driven doesn't have that level driven doesn't have a level of wear for such a fire to happen. Drive the car more, more wear, more likely it will burst into flame in a garage cause the 12V plug connect or something got loose.

    Whenever a recall involves a fire risk, the manufacturer says to park it outside no matter the type of car. Of the thousands of Bolts recalled, how many actually caught fire?
     
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    we had a couple camry potential fire recalls over the years. one was shorting window switches, another fluid leaking onto a hot surface iirc