How did whales, porpoises, and dolphins evolve?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daronspicher @ Apr 23 2007, 01:03 PM) [snapback]428468[/snapback]</div>

Jeebus! The eye is still being used to disprove evolution? Representative intermediate stages in eye evolutioon can be found in animals in existence today. From just a few photoreceptors on the skin to entire eye physiologies. The fact is eye isolated structures can be beneficial and cumulative.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(burritos @ Apr 23 2007, 08:12 PM) [snapback]428475[/snapback]</div>

I've come to the conclusion that the word "God" has no meaning to those who do not believe (like me). The closest thing to "God" I know is love, but that has nothing to do with creation. Since it's meaningless to have a discussion using words one doesn't (and never will) understand, I won't even try. It's so much more peaceful this way.

 

So now we are talking about God and not dolphins/whales? I suggest that everyone who believes in evolution try to answer the question because that was clearly the intention of the original post.

There is a book called the Natural History of Dolphins and Whales, perhaps you can refer to that? Looks like it only costs a few dollars.

http://www.alibris.com/search/detail.cfm?S...ase-_-isbn-_-na

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(burritos @ Apr 23 2007, 02:12 PM) [snapback]428475[/snapback]</div>

almost as silly as telling people that humans are responsible for global warming - the new flat earthers of the 21st century.

are you still of the flat earth believers?

your analogy is truly spectacular - i swear to God!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lowlander @ Apr 23 2007, 02:40 PM) [snapback]428503[/snapback]</div>

perhaps you should confine your statement to yourself only and not others. some people understand the word God.

Perhaps you thought of this from a Muslims's perspective - since love is the closest thing you have for yourself to God - they believe death/killing is, no? How would you propose dealing with that? What is the last thing they yell before exploding themselves or driving airplanes into buildings?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Michgal007 @ Apr 23 2007, 08:47 PM) [snapback]428510[/snapback]</div>

You're right.

In North America the black bear was seen by Hearne swimming for hours with widely open mouth, thus catching, like a whale, insects in the water. Even in so extreme a case as this, if the supply of insects were constant, and if better adapted competitors did not already exist in the country, I can see no difficulty in a race of bears being rendered, by natural selection, more and more aquatic in their structure and habits, with larger and larger mouths, till a creature was produced as monstrous as a whale (Origin of Species, 1859, p. 184).

In turn taken by me from The Ancestor's Tale, A Pilgrimage to the Dawn of Life, p. 167.

 

I'm still wondering how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

 

A good discussion of the evolutionary issues is available online from Stephen Jay Gould.

Three major groups of mammals have returned to the ways of distant ancestors in their seafaring modes of life (while smaller linkages within several other mammalian orders have become at least semiaquatic, often to a remarkable degree, as in river and sea otters): the suborder Pinnepedia (seals, sea lions, and walruses) within the order Carnivora (dogs, cats, and Darwin's bears among others); and two entire orders—the Sirenia (dugongs and manatees) and Cetacea (whales and dolphins). I confess that I have never quite grasped the creationists' point about inconceivability of transition—for a good structural (though admittedly not a phylogenetic) series of intermediate anatomies may be extracted from these groups. Otters have remarkable aquatic abilities, but retain fully functional limbs for land. Sea lions are clearly adapted for water, but can still flop about on land with sufficient dexterity to negotiate ice floes, breeding grounds, and circus rings.

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/library/gould_leviathan.html

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinto Girl @ Apr 23 2007, 09:07 PM) [snapback]428526[/snapback]</div>

42

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lowlander @ Apr 23 2007, 02:10 PM) [snapback]428529[/snapback]</div>

Yeah, but what is the question....?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric @ Apr 23 2007, 09:22 PM) [snapback]428537[/snapback]</div>

Damn, I forgot... But isn't that typical of threads on FHoP?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinto Girl @ Apr 23 2007, 02:07 PM) [snapback]428526[/snapback]</div>

The only difference is that I am not aware of well-funded organizations that want Angel Dancing to be taught in schools..

 

Sorry to help drag this thread off topic but I can't stand to see people be so delusional to think that there is a God.

I would love to see the day when a ban could be imposed on the participation of minors in any organized religion. Then the brainwashing cycle could be stopped.

I see evidence everyday how religion is doing damage to people's minds and therefore society. It's such a crock.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric @ Apr 23 2007, 02:35 PM) [snapback]428547[/snapback]</div>

It's when those angels start using the pin itself like a pole in a strip club....well, that's when we get a little concerned!

 

"I would love to see the day when a ban could be imposed on the participation of minors in any organized religion. Then the brainwashing cycle could be stopped."

Religious indoctrination is a form of self-perpetuating child abuse that does enormous harm. People who have been abused by religious indoctrination tend to do the same to their own children. In this, it is very similar to sexual abuse.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Apr 23 2007, 01:39 PM) [snapback]428590[/snapback]</div>

Yes!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric @ Apr 23 2007, 11:15 AM) [snapback]428478[/snapback]</div>

Yeah, people still use that lame arguement.

I always liked this cetacea video to visualize their evolutionary process.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fibb222 @ Apr 23 2007, 03:44 PM) [snapback]428561[/snapback]</div>

I say the same thing about atheism.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Apr 23 2007, 04:39 PM) [snapback]428590[/snapback]</div>

? I did not realize that your religion involves the touching of childrens sexual organs. How do you define abuse?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Apr 23 2007, 09:11 AM) [snapback]428377[/snapback]</div>

OMG, the good doctor is a creationist.