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How many here used to own a previous gen Prius?

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Prius Main Forum' started by asj2009, Mar 28, 2024.

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  1. 4th generation

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    15.2%
  2. 3rd generation

    12 vote(s)
    26.1%
  3. 2nd generation

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    21.7%
  4. 1st generation

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    6.5%
  5. Never owned previously

    14 vote(s)
    30.4%
  1. asj2009

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    I'm wondering how many here used to own a previous gen Prius, and how many are new to the model brand.

    Also, what gen did you use to own?

    According to Carmax sales data, Prius is the car brand with the most loyal customers, with 38% of Prius car buyers getting another Prius.

    https://www.carmax.com/articles/car-brands-with-most-loyal-owners-2024
     
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    I just realized that Carmax list of models with most loyal customers was 50% Toyota/Lexus!

    Go Toyota! lol
     
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    That true .... and yet;

    Toyota Is The Most Traded In Brand For Used EVs: CarMax

    Here are the top 5 cars Tesla Model 3 buyers are trading in | Electrek

    This Doesn't diminish The Prius In any way - But Corolla Losing its #1 sales crown To the model 3 is quite the conquest for a company that has been in existence such a short time compared to the others.
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    1. Those data are dated, from 2018 and 2022, early adopters. By end of 2023, BEV cars are being eclipsed by the growth of hybrids (HEVs and PHEVs mostly from Toyota). Prius sales by itself jumped by more than 300% in Feb 2024, even with supply constraints.

    The resale value of Tesla is also crap (in fact, the worst in the BEV industry in USA right now, although Fisker may have beaten its downward trend because Fisker is going bankrupt), whereas Prius resale values are high, so I'm sure some people are picking it up because used ones are hell discounted (so sorry for the original owners)

    2. Tesla has pretty much 2 models. Toyota has a hell lot more, so its numbers are spread out. Toyota sells a hell lot more cars more than Tesla, and given Tesla is very big in China (where the Chinese makers are squeezing it hard), I very much doubt Tesla will get even close to Toyota. Especially as even its BEV dominance in USA dropped from 80% to now around 50%.

    And in the end, this is about Prius in a Prius chat forum, not Tesla people who are seemingly peeved Carmax shows higher sales loyalty for Prius owners.
     
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    Certainly if you glum all hybrids (which even includes stop-start nowadays in some data collectors view) with PHEV's - then you can rightfully say 'eclipse'. And presently owning 2 PHEV's it's certainly not a bash on the tech. But ... the PHEV market has not passed EV growth yet - according to data as recent as this month;

    https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/plug-hybrid-car-sales-grow-faster-evs-europe

    ... & that's good - right? And that 300% is in part because hybrid sales were oreviously languishing & plugins, especially a brand new model - bring in more buyers then the older models of which were long in the tooth.

    Choices ...it's a good thing
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    My youngest brother has one, bought in 2021, was even in long waiting list. He was really excited at the beginning about the plugging in and all that, but he's since bought a 2024 Mazda, and a Subaru CrossTrek for his kid. I think both are ICE cars.

    As far as I know he will not buy a Tesla again. He was pissed at the drop in value. Haven't asked him about repair costs, but I think it's a given repair costs are high based on that disaster at Hertz.

    If you've ever been in one, the interior is an empty wasteland. Just one big screen where you need to do almost everything. Bad design that probably contributed to the death of that lady who sank into a pond when she pushed the wrong part of the screen.
     
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    Counting the Jeep and Ram mild hybrids, hybrid just ahead of BEVs in US market share. PHEVs are a third to a quarter of either. Now, why did it take so long for hybrids to reach that? First ones came to market in 2001, while the first plug ins were in 2011.

    Electric vehicles and hybrids surpass 16% of total 2023 U.S. light-duty vehicle sales -
    U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)


    May the Prius reach its pre-pandemic sales figure this year.

    Is it as bad as the bZ4X's?

    Tesla sales have been steadily climbing year after year. Their percentage of the US EV segment has dropped simply due to more models for sale while the segment grew 40% to 95% in the last couple years.
     
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    That's the same type of owner that bought the first batch of Acura NSX's. It was a real screamer but the tires were one off. They gave up Tread in short order. Then many of the owners that scraped money together to get the car couldn't afford tires. That was decades ago and I believe the car has now been discontinued.
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    Sample size too small, but it is interesting that the biggest chunk right now are people who have never owned Prius before (and probably would not have owned one when it was more "quirky" looking?)
     
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    1) I’m not surprised Toyota & Prius scored well.
    2) I don’t believe Carmax data is representative of the auto market as a whole.
    3) As for Brand Loyalty, Toyota does well, but isn’t first.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-has-the-most-loyal-buyers-and-the-most-conquests-in-2024-vehicle-loyalty-study-923d8450
     
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    What's their methodology?

    In the case of Carmax, the biggest car reseller in the nation, it's actual raw sales. You can't get any more closer to facts than that.

    Not sure why BEV fans want to come in and rain on the gen 5 parade, but this might get you riled up. The 2024 Prius Prime has an additional positive citation to its name.

    It's the greenest car in the nation, beating all other cars (ICE, HEVs, PHEVs, and BEVs) ;-)

    Greenest Car In America Isn’t Electric Vehicle, It's A Plug-In
    Greenest Car to Buy Is Toyota Prius Prime, Not EV: Report | Money
    The greenest car in America is not an EV - it’s a plug-in hybrid - The Washington Post
    Report: America's Greenest Car Isn't an EV - Kelley Blue Book

    Let the awards keep rolling in.
     
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    Waiting for the first gen 1 to show up ;-)
     
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    My main objection for previous generations of Prius was the interior design, followed by driving dynamics, performance, and exterior looks to a smaller degree, so I never seriously considered one. The interior design of all Prius models until the gen 5 would have been an absolute dealbreaker for me, since I like some other aspects of the earlier models.

    I was always interested in the Prius, Toyota hybrids, and the original Honda Insight, but never owned one.
     
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    These aren’t multiple awards all stemming from the same flawed rankings.
    Again, I am not surprised to see the Prime at #1. I am shocked to see the MINI SE rated as high as it is. And am a bit bewildered that the LR Model Y scored higher than the LR Model 3.

    As for methodology, it is based on this report: S&P Global Mobility Recognizes 28th Annual Automotive Loyalty Awards Winners; General Motors, Tesla and Lincoln Nautilus take Top Awards for Loyalty in 2023

    The report is based on 12.6 Million US car registrations in 2023.
    More details can be found at https://www.spglobal.com/mobility/en/products/automotive-loyalty-conquest-analytics.html

    It appears carmax’s data is based on about 800,000 used car sales.
     
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    my First Prius is a Gen 2 2009 Prius. Still have it. Excellent car for my use.
     
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    Well, I'm glad the new update of the 5th gen has lured you in. It looks like after decades of people complaining (Including me about the 4th gen design), Toyota finally decided to try and see what a total redesign would do.
     
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    I absolutely love the 2nd gen. I rented one in 2009, and that's what pushed me to buy a 3rd gen.

    The 2nd gen was featured in many feature shows and TV shows, including Curb you Enthusiasm and that great ending of Six Feet Under. Oh, and I think in the TV show weeds, it was the gen that some gangster called U-turn said was good for "sneaking up on m*therf*kers" lol

    It has such a unique and quirky look. It's my second fav after the 3rd gen.
     
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    Good find
    Now it makes sense in part - why it doesn't make sense.
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