How to plug into a standard 220V outlet?

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  1. bisco

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    unless you have peef convert your evse, then, you have one cable good for 120v or 240v.
     
  2. Perhaps you might explain to the facility managers pronto, why the 110V source is better. ie: cheaper, most EV owners already have the 110 cable. There will be very little use with 220 only charge stations.
     
  3. At extra costs! And still have the original cable. Could sell it on EBay maybe. Why bother, unless you really need quick charges.
     
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    Not really... It allows you to use the EVSE on 240, or with the little adapter cable, on 120 as well, so if you are visiting someone who only has 120, you can still charge up.
    FYI, I am talking about evseupgrade.com's upgrade service for $239, they upgrade the Toyota EVSE you send to them, there is no "extra cable"
     
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    well, that's true for some and not for others. i wanted to wait until i got some experience under my belt before investing in a quick charger. i have wished that i had one a few times now when i have to run out unexpectedly. it's mostly because you can't keep the car charged all the time like i thought you could before i got it.
    btw, you don't have an extra cable, you send peef yours and he converts it and sends it back to you.
     
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    Just to be clear, L2 (208 to 240 volt) charging with a 3.3 kW charger (in the car) is NOT "quick charging". I don't believe that even w/a 6.6 kW charger (in the FFE, Coda and supposedly available in the upcoming '13 Leaf) is considered "quick charging".

    Quick charging usually refers to 480 volt charging at much higher amperage (e.g. CHAdeMO, which is DC quick charging) or the upcoming SAE J1772 combo plug (aka Frankenplug). The Leaf can be charged from 0 to 80% in 30 minutes using CHAdeMO (DC quick charging). With the 3.3 kW charger inside the Leaf, L2 J1772 charging takes 7 or 8 hours to charge to full. A 6.6 kW charger would cut the time down to slightly over half.

    The PiP, IIRC has a 3.3 kW charger as well, but the charging times are much shorter due to smaller battery capacity.
     
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    right. if that's the 'official' definition of quick charging than so be it.:) i'm just saying, 1 hour 15 min. is 'quick' vs 2 1/2 hours. even that may not be quick enough at times.
     
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    No, it's only a 2.2 Kw charger.
     
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    ^^^
    Oh! I see. Is there some official web page or document that states that? Or, was it based upon the draw people are seeing?
    Re: "quick charging", there are references all over the place such as at Nissan LEAF®: Electric Car Charging Stations, Charging On The Go - Nissan USA. The optional quick charge port on the Leaf is a CHAdeMO port. Alternative Fuels and Advanced Vehicles Data Center: Alternative Fueling Station Locator has choices for level 1, level 2, and DC fast.

    I can find more references, if you'd like.
     
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    no, that's plenty!:p
     
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    It is kind of depressing sitting at a Chargepoint station with one's PiP pulling 2.269Kw, while the Leaf at the other station is pulling something like 3.4Kw.
     
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    Well, as I mentioned a few EVs have 6.6 kW chargers. The upcoming '13 Leaf will too. It's unclear if it'll be optional or standard.
     
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    How to plug into a standard 220V outlet?
    Not sure what you consider a "standard" 240v outlet. There are LOTS of 240v outlets. Some have straight blades:

    While other 240v outlets have locking outlets:
    http://www.qualtekusa.com/Catalog/Power_Cords/PDF%20Files/nemalocking.pdf

    And if you look close, you'll find that some of the nema outlets are designed for either 120v or 240v . . . some outlets are for 20 amp ... some for 30 amp ... 40 amp 50 amp ... even 60. So ... which one are you considering as 'standard'. But anyway - lots of EVSE's have been mod'ed to run on not only 120v and 240v ... but 208v as well. The hardware is hacked, and a switching power supply is used. Here's a shot of me charging the test mule PiP on a mod'ed 120v/208v/240v evse, in our driveway - even as the Leaf is charging . . . .

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    sweet !
    If you think 3.5kW is depressing . . . . consider the Leaf's Chademo port . . . . its 400v DC is capable of 40kW !! Can you imagine how fast the PiP would recharge if it had a Chademo port? Woah . . .
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    Let's see... 3.1kWh at 40kW = 4 minutes 39 seconds. Actually, probably a bit faster, since there is less conversion loss at 400VDC.
     
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    Yes, except you can't charge a 4.4KW pack at nearly 10C, unless it was designed for that.
    The Leaf has a 23KW pack, much different situation.
    I
     
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    i could be wrong, but you could spend $749 for a Schneider L2 EVSE from Home Depot. Those plug into 220V outlets right? You could get your company to split the cost or pay for it yourself and if you change jobs you could possibly take it with you...
     
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    I have a Schnieder EVSE, it's designed to be hardwired using 8AWG wiring to a 40A breaker (supports up to 32A charging)
    You could put a 50A appliance cord on it, and use it portably, I suppose, but it's a but cumbersome.
    Probably better to build yourself an OpenEVSE.
     
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    Pretty much based on what people are seeing: when I have the car plugged into an EVSE, it'll actually tell me how much it's pulling. Using the 120V portable EVSE, I will see anywhere from .7 Kw to 1.1 Kw. When I plug it into a 220V one that can do up to 6.6 Kw (like the one you sold me), it reports 1.8 to 2.1 Kw. The PiP's battery is rated at 4.4 Kwh, but we all know that only about 3.3 Kwh is actually available for use. 3.3 Kwh / 2.2 Kw = 1.5 hours to recharge.
     
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    We've got loads of smart cookies here!
    My reservation is that this is a lot more complicated than I had hoped. I like the simplicity of a normal 120 V outlet, and will try to push for that.
     
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    That's the best thing to do imo . . . just hope they'll go for 120v outlets. That way you won't overwhelm those in charge of making the final decision as to whether your company (even) gets 120v plug-in spots. It took our huge multi-national corporation well over a year of coaxing, in order to get the final product ... charge stalls AND the appropriate sinage. Now ... as you can see, we have enough plug-in spots to support about a half dozen vehicles:
    [​IMG]There are 3 other plug-ins ... so hopefully we never all show up at the same time.
    :)
    Anyway - we tried to get the company to go for 240v ... and they didn't like the additional cost of having to foot the expense of any of the J1772 appliances.
    Baby steps!
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