1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

HV discharged while driving.

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by Former Member 68813, Sep 16, 2016.

  1. Former Member 68813

    Former Member 68813 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    3,524
    981
    8
    Location:
    US
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I've been driving/commuting in my prius for 6 years and thought nothing would surprise me. Today I was surprised.

    First, let me explain how i drive my prius while commuting in the suburban/city. I use a HV battery sparing/MPG maximizing technique that means that I never use EV mode, let the engine warm up some (by slowly driving that is) before leaving parking lot/entering roads, accelerate briskly at the top of Eco (sometimes more if the flow of traffic requires), and glide with no power flow (HSI near zero).
    With that driving, there is little discharge of the HV battery and the status of charge is near constant at the 6-7 bars [corrected from 7-8 bars]. Rarely, i get the HV battery discharged to 2 bars when "idling" with AC on.

    Today, I was driving the second mile of my commute, engine warm and on (accelerating from 20-40 mph at the top of Eco zone) and i noticed that the HV status of charge went down to 3 bars and possibly even 2 (I had to look at the road). Later, it recovered, especially with regen braking. Sure enough the mpg in this trip was sub par (near 50 rather than indicated 55+ i tend to get these days with AC on and non LRR tires).

    What"s going on? Weak HV battery? Thanks!
     
    #1 Former Member 68813, Sep 16, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2016
  2. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    107,785
    48,987
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    good question. and how to determine if the battery is changing, or if the computer decided the engine wasn't up to snuff and used more battery for some reason?
     
    Former Member 68813 likes this.
  3. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    54,710
    38,247
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    Sounds kind of like the recalibration behaviour of Honda's IMA system, which the car's computer invokes when it doesn't trust it's perception of battery charge percent. The computer vicariously keeps track of how much charge has been deposited and withdrawn, bases it's perception on this. With an ailing battery it'll find the "books" not balancing, and reacts by first showing charge as minimum, then going through a forced charge regimen, and finally declaring the best it can do as "fully charged".
     
    Former Member 68813 likes this.
  4. CR94

    CR94 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2014
    2,642
    1,134
    0
    Location:
    Northwestern S.C.
    Vehicle:
    2011 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    I mostly try to drive similar to the "battery-sparing" way you describe. My battery state-of-charge indicator shows exactly 6 segments most of the time, never 8 except after major descents. Occasionally it inexplicably drops to 2, much as you described, then may not do that again for several months. Those drops typically seem to occur when I'm in an unfamiliar area, distracted, and not observing usual habits.
     
  5. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    54,710
    38,247
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    The main time I'll see 2 bars is on very flat roads at lower speeds, and extended crawl pace driving, say around a parking lot, or in a traffic jam.
     
  6. Former Member 68813

    Former Member 68813 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    3,524
    981
    8
    Location:
    US
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    LOL, i counted the bars again, and it was 6-7 (mostly 6) on the return trip. So, i really meant 6-7 and not 7-8 like i said in my initial post. I used to get full battery (it's 9 bars, right?) at the bottom of a hill after slowing to a stop. But not anymore after the inverter recall, only 8 bars.
     
  7. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    54,710
    38,247
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    Ours will still fill up all the bars, given a steep/long enough hill. It's had the inverter recall.
     
  8. Piotrus Pan

    Piotrus Pan Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2014
    126
    46
    0
    Location:
    Luxembourg
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    The traction battery delivers about 200V. The cars inverter can make out of those 200V, 600V. For me this usually happens when driving slow and delicate like you. If the petrol engine is still working (warming up) and you are going slow the inverter sometimes kicks in with the 600V lowering petrol consumption but understandably increasing battery usage. Thanks to that your battery charge will drop really quick, usually to 2 bars.
     
  9. Former Member 68813

    Former Member 68813 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2010
    3,524
    981
    8
    Location:
    US
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    no, when my engine is warming up and i drive slowly (parking lot or driveway speed), there in no measurable drop in HV bars. It would be if I started spirited driving on warming up engine, but I don't. It takes me a mile to get out from my subdivision and that takes care of the problem. However, i force the engine on by gas pedal as soon as get ready light and i live in much warmer climate than you do.
     
  10. Piotrus Pan

    Piotrus Pan Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2014
    126
    46
    0
    Location:
    Luxembourg
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    This "boost" does not happen only when warming up. To get this boost you only need to be going bellow 40 miles/h and have your petrol engine working for any reason.