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Hybrid battery cooling system bad?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Josh K, May 5, 2017.

  1. Josh K

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    I bought a 2006 Prius 2 weeks ago. I'm the second owner. It has 113k miles and perfect maintenance records (dealer serviced, etc).

    Two days ago, I was driving on the highway when all of the warning lights came on about 30 minutes into the 45 minute drive. It was 85 degrees outside. The car continued to drive normally with no other indicators that anything was wrong. I parked it for the night. I drove it to work the next morning and just the master warning light (red triangle with !) came on. There was also the red car icon with the ! where the navigation system is located.

    I checked fluid levels and for turbulence in the coolant. Everything looked good and functioned well.
    I took it to a Toyota dealer yesterday to get the code(s) read. They came back with a $1600 estimate to replace the hybrid battery ECU (computer) and the fan that cools the battery (blower assembly) because it was "fried." They told me the battery could overheat and die prematurely if I didn't have the computer and blower replaced ASAP.

    I drove the car home (gently) from the dealer and the battery fan came on when I got close to home (it was hot outside). The battery fan seems like it's still working fine (turning on and off as needed). The dealer told me the fan wouldn't work, but it IS working.

    What should I do? I'm planning to go to a hybrid specialist to get a better quote and opinion.

    Note: The dealer pulled code P0A80. The fan looks and sounds clean from the outside. Nothing is blocking the intake vent. I put a piece of paper in front of the intake vent to see what kind of suction the fan was creating.
     
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    It's probably dirty and clogged. Just try to clean it first

    SM-N900P ?
     
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    The fan doesn't seem to be dirty, but I'll try just to be sure. The car is in excellent condition for its age and is very clean. Could cleaning the fan remove the error message/code?
     
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    What is the code? Should be on your dealer receipt

    SM-N900P ?
     
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    The only code is P0A80. No other codes.
     
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    That is not a failed ecu or fan, that is a failed hybrid battery.

    That dealer should be fired

    SM-N900P ?
     
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    Good plan. Or even just a second dealership: their culture and diligence level can vary a lot.

    Still, for starters: talk with the first dealership, try to talk directly to Service Manager, about this contradiction (code vs diagnosis), see what they say. I've found: if someone screws up the first time 'round, they tend to try harder if given a second chance. And maybe reduce charges too.
     
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    Sounds good. Assuming I have the following three options, which would you choose? Dealers will only do option 3 from my understanding, but a hybrid specialist (non-dealer) will do 1 and 2 as well.

    1. Replace the bad cells ($200-$700)
    2. Replace the entire battery with a rebuilt/reconditioned battery (around $1000)
    3. Replace the entire battery with a new battery (could be $4000ish?)

    I have 113k miles on the Prius now, and would like get another 100k or so from a repaired/replaced battery. It seems like the battery is failing too soon, but then again the car has lived its entire life in San Antonio, TX, where the temperature is 80-100 degrees for most of the year.
     
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    Option 4: Contact Toyota corporate and ask for a goodwill warranty. You can google their 800 number. If they provide assistance, you will get a new battery for maybe only half the price.
     
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    and i would go with a new battery. shop around, the price is not fixed. once you get the best price, contact toyota, or ask the dealer to.
     
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    Unless you get a huge goodwill discount from Corporate (or choose the NOT NEW option), your best price would be Matt https://priuschat.com/members/127746/ @ Texas Prius Battery Replacement (if you do find something cheaper please report back!!)

    The out the door price includes everything (tax, install, 4 yr warranty, etc) and should be around $2200 (wish they would set up a small shop in California, hint hint).

    Dallas might not be around the corner from San Antonio, but feels close enough considering the size of Texas.

    Even if you can't make it to him I bet he could get you a new battery.
     
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    Thanks for the help! One more question: Can driving with a bad (or going bad) hybrid battery harm any of the computers or other components?
     
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    On rare occasion clogged cooling fan can throw PA080. Don't ignor that possibility as Gen2's had an issue with fans getting crapped up as a function of rear seat use (for pets is really bad on Gen2 fan).

    PS- You got some good battery fix-it shops in TX and they will help you here on Prius Chat
     
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    no, but you can potentially get stranded.
     
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    FYI, I also have an 06 that's lived it's whole life in south Texas and it only has 48k miles but has had two battery (module) failures.

    I have a co-worker who also had an identical 06 but was driven hard and put away wet its whole life. Even though it had 320k miles, no a/c, brakes out (probably brake actuator failure), and looked like crap on the inside and needed to be towed out of his driveway, he still got $1900 for it because of the 2 year old toyota replacement battery(had receipt)!!!!

    If you're looking to get another 100k here in Texas, go with a new battery. At the end of that time, the car will be nearly worthless but you can sell that battery to another owner or a hybrid shop/recycler like my co-worker did and let them deal with the carcass. :)
     
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    Update: I talked with the service manager at the Toyota dealership. They put the wrong diagnosis code on the report they sent me. It should have been P0A82 instead of P0A80. Code P0A82 does indicates here is a problem with the cooling system. The dealership agreed to clean the fan at no extra cost (since I already paid their diagnostic fee). When they took it apart, they the discovered the hybrid battery had been replaced by a Dorman battery (is that a good brand?). Whoever installed the replacement battery did a poor job because the fan vents weren't hooked up and the tubes on the battery were disconnected. They did their best to connect the fan vents and the tubes, but said they would need to do another 4 hours of work to ensure all of the tubes were connected (?). They also reset the ECU. No lights have come on since then.

    Should I have the dealer or a hybrid specialist go through the extra trouble of thoroughly evaluating and servicing the battery? Thanks for the help everyone! I'm a new first-time Prius/hybrid owner and I feel like I'm learning a lot in the process :)

    Next project is to change out the HID headlights since one is going bad (doesn't come on sometimes).
     
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    This dealer has some serious issues with competence and honesty. There aren't that many connections to a HV battery, any cooling tube can be put back in a few minutes. 4 hours??????????

    I think you need to stop them at what they are trying to do, they obviously need you to pay for some type of outstanding boat payment.
     
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    I love how so many posters say perfectly maintained....by the dealer...always makes me chuckle.
     
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    Yeah, I'm not going back to that dealer. I only went there because of their proximity to where I live. The service advisor told me that I had been "playing around on the internet" when I came in for the second appointment to have them actually do a diagnosis that I would have never received without talking to the service manager. Definitely some honesty issues. Otherwise I would have been out $125 to have them read the codes, put the wrong code on the report, and nothing else.
     
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    One course of action might be to wait and see what happens next and or start doing preventative maintenance now. You mentioned "perfect maintenance records (dealer serviced, etc)", what has already been serviced or maintained on the vehicle? (refurbished battery install on, battery cooling fan cleaned..)

    If you get P0A82 again, then look back into the cooling setup. If you are feeling proactive, now might be a good time to contact the old owner and ask about warranty information in relation to the dealers claim of improper HV battery installation (who, when and where).

    Dorman is one of the biggest names in HV rebuilts, they offer a three (3) year unlimited mile warranty (which doesn't include labor). They don't mention if this warranty is transferable ( Dorman Products ).

    Glad to hear you are back on the road again without warning lights :)
     
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