I am thoroughly sick of this CRA....!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Oct 30 2006, 11:05 AM) [snapback]340623[/snapback]</div>

You should doubt. It was clear to many people from the beginning that this war was unnecessary to fight. Then to compound the error, the military was shortachnged on the number of troops to use by Bush and Co. All of this is documented in news reports, documentaries and books written by the people involved.

So yes. Now we should have even MORE doubt about anything this administration proposes.

By the way, doubt has no connection or magical power over the troops on the ground. Troop numbers do.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Oct 30 2006, 12:03 PM) [snapback]340649[/snapback]</div>

For some reason this frightens me more than the "up against the wall" nonsense. :blink:

"We’ve never been stay the course, George!" - President Bush to George Stephanopoulos, 10/22/06

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Oct 30 2006, 10:03 AM) [snapback]340649[/snapback]</div>

SoSOSad! One day when/if you become of an independent mind, not easily manipulated, you will look back on such posts with embarrasment.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Oct 30 2006, 12:03 PM) [snapback]340649[/snapback]</div>

I get it. This is Stephen Colbert! He's just being sarcastical guys!

 

Alric, you're a riot! So then, this is all just sarcastiness!

 

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Is he enjoying this just a little too much?

I mean the bird, sillly!
[laughing]

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinto Girl @ Oct 30 2006, 05:44 PM) [snapback]340888[/snapback]</div>

No wonder he was worried about human-animal hybrids

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w060130&s=frank020106

Human-animal hybrids. Bad news, minotaur fans. The president called for a prohibition on "the most egregious abuses of medical research" and singled out "human-animal hybrids." Now wait a second, Mr. President. What if we could have dog noses and hooves instead of feet? Surely that would give us a great sense of smell and also reduce shoe prices. Bush will face a lot of opposition on this bill. After all, without egregious abuses of medical research, Joe Biden's hair wouldn't be possible.

 

I think I've finally got Mystery Squid figured out:

He really is very clever and self-sacrificing in a noble cause. Like the spy who becomes a deep mole and lives his entire life pretending to be a loayal servant of the enemy while actually undermining his supposed masters by feeding them false information and deliberately misunderstanding their orders and doing the opposite of what they wish, Squid is pretending to be a conservative supporter of Bush, publicly exposing himself to humilliation, but only to "defend" Bush with such obnoxious arguments that anybody on the fence, reading Squid's defenses of Bush, will invariably turn away from our lamebrain president and vote for the opposition.

Democrats lambaste poor Squid, who by his own choice of tactics cannot defend himself; conservatives applaud him, to his chagrin, yet he must bite his tongue, and this most noble of all liberals has for sole consolation only the knowledge that undecided voters everywhere, reading his words, will turn away from his public persona and vote democrat.

Bravo, Squid!

Oops. I've blown his cover...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Oct 30 2006, 07:05 AM) [snapback]340597[/snapback]</div>

I have no doubt your example is what they wish us to feel. However your scenario has not panned out and the effect has been the exact opposite. Witness Libya's surrender of all it's WMD's.

I can't tell exactly what you're trying to say in the last paragraph but if you're tying the USA together with genocide and what is going on in Iraq, that is specious at best. Indeed the condition of the Iraqi people will be exactly as you describe but not because that is how we will leave it but because that is what was there to begin with and will only change if we are successful in bringing democracy to the area. The greater majority of all Muslims in that region and especially the Iraqi’s are citizens of autocratic, dictatorial or subjective monarchial regimes. They have been forced into a system that has denied them basic rights such as self-rule, private property, security, freedom of religion, freedom from want and fear etc. The USA is the only country in the history of that region that is doing it's best to bring freedom to the area. Freedom isn't free its cost is blood and only the ones willing to pay that cost deserve it or will obtain it. The Liberals since the 70’s have completely abandon the ideals that, as you call them, “neo-consâ€, preserve today, here below are some of those ideals as put forth by one of the greatest Presidents of this nation read them it might jog your memory. In fact read the whole speech it has points eerily similar to today’s.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/f...ourfreedoms.htm

In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.
The first is freedom of speech and expression -- everywhere in the world.
The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way everywhere in the world.
The third is freedom from want, which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants -- everywhere in the world.
The fourth is freedom from fear, which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor -- anywhere in the world. (read Iran's & NoKo's nuclear ambitions)

We must remember that any oppression, any injustice, any hatred, is a wedge designed to attack our civilization. Franklin D. Roosevelt

If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarantee an equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors. There is no other. Carl Schurz


Wildkow

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric @ Oct 30 2006, 08:29 AM) [snapback]340636[/snapback]</div>

Well you are quite wrong in this regard. Troops with less/no doubt and thus higher morale have throughout history defeated those in greater numbers.

Wildkow

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Proco @ Oct 30 2006, 09:09 AM) [snapback]340654[/snapback]</div>

That's a nice snippit to support a POV your trying to put across. But how about a little context? I think he may have been referring to tactics which change according to the situation. What you are trying to pin on him is the course of the whole mission over there which is to rid the world of a madman that was a threat to all. On that he is firm and willing to stay the course until successful.


Wildkow

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Wildkow @ Oct, 09:47 PM) [snapback]341073[/snapback]</div>

Wildkow, while this may be true in some instances, you surely don't advocate low troop levels with high morale as a viable strategy in Iraq do you? Is that what this whole debate has been about? Does the admin think it's ok to have low troop levels as long as the morale is high?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Wildkow @ Oct, 09:53 PM) [snapback]341073[/snapback]</div>

Then.... mission accomplished, no? Time to bring the troops home.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Oct 30 2006, 06:57 PM) [snapback]341083[/snapback]</div>

Nope. I don't advocate that and in hindsight there probably should have be more troops. But the reasons are not clear and BTW there are/were Generals on both sides of the troop level debate.

I don’t think the mission is accomplished although I think the time is nearing that the Iraqi’s should take over for themselves and let our troops come home. Nation building is or can be a long drawn out business. Look at the amount of time it took after WWII and there was no insurgency. Just because the results so far don’t fit the time table we want, should we just “Cut N Run†and leave the country open to the madmen of terrorism and/or that madman in Iran? Because I can guarantee you that Iran will be there in a heartbeat should we pull out. The way things are going seems eerily similar to the South Vietnamese and their willingness to fight for their own liberty. But then again without decent communication from either the White House or the MSM I don’t have enough info to make a truly informed decision. Neither does anyone else outside the intelligence loop.

Wildkow

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinto Girl @ Oct 30 2006, 05:44 PM) [snapback]340888[/snapback]</div>

Wow someones doing a Fowl Job, and its not the president.. Gross picture depicting beastiality on a humorous slant.. :blink: :huh: :lol:


Have a safe halloween & take the extra candy to work, let your coworkers get fat

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Oct 30 2006, 09:35 PM) [snapback]341072[/snapback]</div>

Yes...I see it now...all hail Mr. Squid!!!!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Oct 30 2006, 01:03 PM) [snapback]340649[/snapback]</div>

Umm...F with us? How did Iraq F with us? The only message Bush sent to the world is that I'm willing to F up my own country to fight the guy that wanted to beat up my dad.

And you think Kim Jong Il and Iran are paranoid/scared of us? Are you f'in' crazy? If either one was scared of us, they would NOT have gone as far as they have with their nuclear (or nucular, depending on your slant ) programs...just as a reminder, we ain't done jack to stop either one. In fact, with Kim Jong Il, we made a threat and didn't follow through.

Reminds me of the game you play at the beach--draw a line with your toe and say, "I dare you to cross it." When your opponent crosses it, you go "Oops, my bad...I meant cross this line" and draw another one further away and so on and so on...

But I figured Dubya out the other day. Back in '98, the whole fam was sitting around Kennebunkport. Senior started talking about how it sucked that he didn't get re-elected in '92, and he didn't want the legacy of being a bad president. Dubya said, "Well, Dad, I can take care of that for you." So, he convinces the uninformed to vote for him, then proceeds to have the single worst reign (and yes, I said reign) of the 20th and 21st century combined. That way, no one is talking about his dad being a bad one, too. I'd take 10 of Senior's administrations if I could erase his son's past 6 years.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Oct 30 2006, 09:35 PM) [snapback]341072[/snapback]</div>

So do I. Like that dbermanmd character, he's a freaking troll.

And, apparently, quite a good one, considering how many replies he gets to the inane and incomprehensible logic he prattles on with.

But then, I suppose that's also par for the course for virtually every supporter of GW Bush that I've ever encountered.