ICE runs but does not show on Energy Monitor (2021 Prime)

Discussion in 'Prime Main Forum (2017-Current)' started by syllablelight, Jan 28, 2021.

  1. syllablelight

    syllablelight New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2020
    27
    16
    0
    Location:
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Vehicle:
    2021 Prius Prime
    Model:
    LE
    It was a cold rainy day in the Bay Area. I turned on the front defogger to clear up the condensation on the windscreen, which activated the ICE. Once the condensation cleared, I turned off the defogger, but the ICE continued running for a bit. That's normal from what I read - it has to run for a minimum period, rather than just for a few seconds.

    However, the really odd thing is that on the Energy Monitor, the ICE is not shown running. However, in the HV System Indicator, the EV light is off (even though I'm in EV mode), which indicates that the ICE is indeed running.

    What gives?

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  2. Salamander_King

    Salamander_King Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2015
    7,900
    6,324
    0
    Location:
    New England
    Vehicle:
    2020 Prius Prime
    Model:
    LE
    I have seen lags on the display when the engine is on during the warm-up cycle. In your case, the engine came on because of the windshield defogger during EV mode, so that display is normal. If you switch to HV mode, then the engine will be lit and you will see the energy arrow flowing from the engine to the wheels.
     
  3. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2006
    16,429
    7,709
    0
    Location:
    eastern Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    First, car dash displays aren't scientific instruments. There will be lag, and even info the software deems unworthy of display at times.

    As for the OP, my understanding of the Energy Monitor from a gen2 is that it shows where the energy is flowing to and from, not what component is on. The car appears parked in the photos. If not in drive, energy can't flow from the engine to the wheels. Then the battery appears near full. With that state of charge, or something else like temperature, the system has deemed charging the battery at this time isn't a good idea. So no flow from engine to battery on the monitor.

    Then going back to the first point, there is energy flowing, but beneath the threshold that would have it be displayed on the screen.
     
  4. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    42,885
    30,685
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    On our 3rd gen, if the car is stopped with engine running, the displays show (incorrectly) that no gas is being consumed. Once you start rolling it goes back to showing gas consumption.
     
  5. syllablelight

    syllablelight New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2020
    27
    16
    0
    Location:
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Vehicle:
    2021 Prius Prime
    Model:
    LE
    I see... anyway, it was in D mode, and the battery is nowhere near full (67%). I actually took a video but these are screenshots of the video, because I was lazy to upload the video lol.
     
  6. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2006
    16,429
    7,709
    0
    Location:
    eastern Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Then it could just be a bug. As @Mendel Leisk points, out the software could simply not be working as it should, which what fall under the not a scientific instrument category. The engine came on for the defogger, but you're in EV mode. The software for the Energy display may not show any activity from the engine because you are in EV mode.

    Here's another you may not have noticed yet. There is a percent EV in the displays somewhere. The software running it is a carry over from the standard Prius. So it isn't showing a ratio of time or miles the car was in EV mode to HV mode. It is instead a percentage of how often the engine actually ran, regardless of mode.
     
  7. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2004
    12,096
    4,797
    57
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    When there is no load on the engine, it will not show any activity. That's the nature of the "Energy Monitor". It's just there to give you a general idea of how the system works. (KISS). That should be obvious, since there are 2 electric-motors, yet only 1 is displayed.
     
  8. jerrymildred

    jerrymildred Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2016
    9,442
    11,519
    0
    Location:
    Tampa, FL
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Premium
    Aside from the puzzle over whether the ICE is actually charging the battery is the fact that it came on in the first place.

    Apparently, you pushed the defrost button rather than changing the airflow to the windshield. That defroster button starts the ICE every time and is usually not necessary, especially in places like the SF Bay area.

    Screen Shot 2021-01-30 at 7.59.18 AM.png Screen Shot 2021-01-30 at 7.59.54 AM.png
     
    pghyndman and Salamander_King like this.
  9. syllablelight

    syllablelight New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2020
    27
    16
    0
    Location:
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Vehicle:
    2021 Prius Prime
    Model:
    LE
    My mind is blown :O
     
  10. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2004
    12,096
    4,797
    57
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    I rarely use that "max" defrost even here in Minnesota. The regular electric-only does the trick most of the time.
     
    jerrymildred likes this.
Loading...