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Discussion in 'Gen 5 Prius Main Forum' started by Paul Gregory, Jun 21, 2024.

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    Well, it looks like I may be finally getting my second key fob, only six months after I bought the car. I wonder why.
    I'm not interested in the official Toyota PR story,
    I want to know the real reason. I can't believe the chip shortage would have anything to do with it.
    So call me skeptical.
     
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    The real story is there were and are are a limited supply of key fob chips relative to demand since at least Oct 2022. Toyota decided a single key allowed them to make twice as many cars for at least nine months until then started rationing out second keys based on delivery date.

    They also decided to reduce limited battery resources going to plugins in favor of many more hybrids with lower capacity batteries.

    As a result 2023 was an all time sales record for Toyota with hybrids representing a 37% increase.

    So yes, Toyota chose sales volume and hybrids over two keys and plugins. Most of us were glad to get a car instead of no car and no key.

    During the single key car sales period, US parts warehouses (not dealers) had a small key supply adequate to handle owners who damaged or lost their key.

    My understanding is most owners paid for the lost key and had their ecus cleared of the original key in the process.
     
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    our '24 hycam from last summer came with two
     
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    Toyota makes cars with two different kinds of fobs; the older design and the newer(the older design is getting phased out as the models are updated). Your 2024 was the final year of the older design on the Camry. The 2025 Camry comes with the newer design. Each design uses different chips inside. There were supply issues with both chips, but the shortage was resolved faster with the older design(probably because Toyota was ramping down usage of the older chip and ramping up usage of the newer chip). That's why you got two (old) fobs and other owners are still waiting for their second (new) fob.
     
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    It sure does sound believable that the key fobs require the high-end chips, the ones that are in short supply.
     
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    Well, if that's true, kudos to Toyota for presumably tackling the security problem. Kids were learning how to make transmitters on the internet, then they could cruise down streets, seeing which cars would start and unlock, making them stealable. I don't know all the technical details, but I gather that it involved triggering your remote fob in the house and using it to unlock the car.

    Keyless Car Theft On The Rise
     
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    is gen 5 secure from hackers?
     
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    We can only hope that security has improved.
     
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    Ah, the good ol' days of dumb keys: no chips, duplicates for $5 at the shoe repair place.
     
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    And kids hot wiring them for you tube videos.
     
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    Is hot wiring a car easier than cruising with an electronic hacking device?
     
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    Ask the Kia owners that are getting their cars stolen at extremely high rates.
     
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    Sorry Mendel, but we have made it into a world where the thieves are always just a step away from cracking any type of security.

    When cars became too hard to hotwire and drive away, they just started winching them onto flat-decks and selling them to chop shops. There's always going to be an element of luck involved with owning a car, I guess.
     
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    I got my letter for my 2nd key fob a couple months back.
    Haven't had time to get to the dealer.

    Not that big an issue for me obviously.
     
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    With all this new AI stuff, a car should be able to work out when it's being stolen and report it to police, along with GPS coordinates.

    My dealer phoned yesterday, and had me reschedule my oil change to coincide with getting my 2nd key fob. I asked if I couldn't just go pick it up, but he said there was a lot of programming and setup involved.
     
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    that's what i've read. all they get is a blank fob that has to be programmed to your car with tech stream.
     
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    I'm sure they're getting a fat hourly rate for it, no matter how little work is involved.
     
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    dealers have been profiteering for ever, and more so since covid
     
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    When I got my second keyfob, they said it would take 90 minutes! Given it took 3 minutes to pair my phone to be a keyfob, I was shocked! I had planned on a 10-minute in/out visit and they took all that time. My car pinged my phone several times, so it wasn't just in queue all that time either. Very weird.

    Will
     
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    I had an oil change scheduled for next week. It's now been moved to the following week. I guess being 3000 kms over is no big deal.