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Featured Illinois Bill Proposes $1000/ Year EV Registration

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by El Dobro, May 10, 2019.

  1. El Dobro

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    Fair Share + Government = Bullsheet
     
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    Bottom line...Fed, State, County, City, sales, property, ect...

    They tax the shyt out us.
     
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    In the pool of people available to work in government, there are people who are more interested in fair solutions to problems, and people who are more interested in enacting paybacks on people their base doesn't like.

    Every so often, we get a chance to think about which ones to elect.
     
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    LMAO. In Chicagoland, we only get one kind of candidate :)
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Well....first of all the 'real-world' chances of the 1k/year EV tax surviving the negative media blitz (click bait?) are questionable, but hey....it's Illinois.
    As far as "fair share"?
    That depends on how you think of the words "fair" and 'tax'.
    No tax will ever be "fair" and no matter what economic depth band you happen to be operating in, tax money is generally paid by those who have more and spent on those who are more socioeconomically disadvantaged - because they NEED it more.
    We all share the roads, and it's not strictly speaking a linear "pay to play' thing - HOV lanes notwithstanding.

    Since states cannot legally print money, and since state officials are popularly elected you have our wonderful 52 laboratories of democracy churning out new and interesting ways to manage money.
    EV owners have money, or at least the desire to spend it since BEVS are still mostly in the 'early adopter' period, being bought by mostly those who are upper-middle class or trade out cars every 4-5 years or less.
     
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    Tell me about it. ;)
     
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    Well, I had my own quotes around "fair share", as it was part of somebody else's rationale for the proposal.

    "We just want (insert group here) to pull their fair share" isn't always a ridiculous argument. Sometimes, you have to guess whether it's being offered honestly, or as a pretext for some other motive.

    Nobody is surprised that politicians sometimes construct an argument as a pretext.

    A lot of people are more surprised that politicians (some of them, sometimes) make an argument in good faith.

    If you want your BEV fee "fair share" argument to not look like a pretext, you probably don't throw a number out that depends on people driving five times the miles people actually drive.

    That makes the guessing too easy.
     
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    Above is blatantly false.

    For 2 years used EV sales have greatly outpaced new EV sales and used EVs average around $10k which is where the poor start buying cars.

    I know many specific examples in my own state where someone on pizza delivery wages bought a $3~$5k EV example because it worked perfectly in their daily drive.

    All those used cars have to go to someone and if they are taxed out that someone will be the junkyard
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    So I drove:
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    • ~$2.50/gal regular gas * 12 gal = $30
    • 747 / 12 = 62.3 MPG equivalent :: GPS miles point-to-point
    • 763 / 12 = 63.6 MPG equivalent :: trip meter miles total
    Bob Wilson
     
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    that settles it then, no need for an ev road tax.
     
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    Let's add EV motorcycles to the pile, too.
     
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    why not bicycles?
     
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    Only if they have an electric motor. After all, we have to be fair. ;)
     
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    than they can't use the roads:rolleyes:
     
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    Jogging shoes?

    Bob Wilson
     
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    if they're on the road, they're causing wear :cool:
     
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    Roads have a finite unladen life span. Build them and even with no use, they will require repairs/rebuilding after so many years to keep them "road-worthy".

    As noted in various threads in this forum, it's mostly the heaviest commercial, industrial, and utility vehicles that accelerate the road decay rate beyond the unladen expiration date, much less so commuter vehicles.

    But commuter vehicles (and bicycles :D) also derive great utility from using the roads, roughly proportional to the number of miles driven. From a raw economic fairness standpoint, commuter vehicles should cover road infrastructure natural decay rate costs proportional to their miles driven.
     
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    Mr. Google tells me commercial truck tires are often pumped up in the neighborhood of 110 psi.

    That's also the neighborhood of tire pressures for cyclists on road bikes. Much smaller contact patches of course, but similar pressure on the road within the patch.

    Passenger cars are usually running around a third of that pressure....
     
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    Average car has 4 tires, average tractor trailer has 18 tires and also tends to overload the trailer.
     
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    Right; the pavement gets very gently squeezed by passenger cars, compared to either tractor trailers or road bikes.