Imagine a world where...

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  1. tochatihu

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    Providing sufficient water/food/energy for Earth's growing population are (among the) highest environmental goals.

    Energy generation increases with a mix of renewable and fossil-C sources; each constrained by technological accessibility, direct cost, and realistic assessment of externalities.

    The wide range of opinions concerning +CO2 effects does not distract from those above.

    Increased surface T, currently about 0.17 oC/decade is seen as important but not catastrophic unless it 'finds a higher gear'.

    Same for sea level and grounded ice loss.

    Climate models realistically represent ocean thermal dynamics on (at least) decadal scales (see, I can troll too).

    That's it. Just imagine. No heavy lifting required.
     
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    I would add that the most effective population control, educating girls, is a world wide goal.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Bob,
    I am hoping I don't understand what you wrote. Are you saying that if girls were more educated ( I assume you mean about sex), then the world would have more effective population control?

    Thanks,
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    thank you john lennon. i think we've been imagining for millennia. and even trying hasn't worked that well.
     
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    I'm remembering studies that educating girls in 3d world countries leads to better family planning. As for educating girls and boys in the USA, it remains a national disgrace.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    i thought family planning was going pretty well here?
     
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    Bob,
    Originally it came across as the girls fault, but I of course understand that the internet has no tone and can be easily misinterpreted. From the sound of it you believe it is a universal education failure, rather than one gender's sole responsibility. If that is the case, I agree with you.

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    Ignorance is the problem but it is amplified with girls. Teach them to read and they can learn how to better manage child raising and even teach their kids to read. Husbands tend to be less reliable in both areas.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Is it really ignorance, or rather lack of access to education? I don't think women/girls in general are less smart. I think there are a lot of countries that treat women/girls as lesser than, therefore they are less educated.
     
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    Once you have marketable skills, the opportunity cost of 9 months of pregnancy and 18 years of child rearing is high.
    Even in first world countries females earn less than males due to child rearing and pregnancy, even in countries with equal pay for equal work.
     
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    No one here is blaming a girl for being uneducated. This usually is due to externals. Just we know female education is one of the best ways to get a handle on family planning. Without trying to drag this thread to Fred's House of Politics, it is why 'abstinence education' too often looks like a cruel scheme to increase teenage pregnancy for example: Abstinence Advocate Bristol Palin Announces Second Unplanned Pregnancy | Vanity Fair

    My late father was a family physician and had a patient come in complaining of abdominal pain . . . she was in labor. Not understanding how she could be pregnant, he had to use some Anglo Saxon vocabulary to explain how it happens. It still happens today!

    There is a correlation between financial and intellectual poverty and unplanned pregnancy: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/clips/2008/10/30/RedTNYORKER.pdf

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    the stork came to her address by mistake because he was using toyota gps?
     
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    Bisco, funny!

    Bob,
    I agree with education. I just don't want to hear it is the woman's fault for the world's population. I assume that is not what you are implying. As we all know it takes two to tango and honestly I have met many more stupid men than women (see Darwin awards as exhibit A).

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    The article I linked does not blame women, it just points out there is a higher correlation to women's education that to men's. Both lower the birth rate, but educating women is more effective.
     
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    "imagining for millennia"@4. I don't agree. Over such time people have been getting away with whatever they can, acting on behalf of their local group, and making externalities as broad a category as possible.

    At great risk, I would suggest that religions often call for treating non-members of local group equally well, but in practice their is more 'exclusivity'.

    Now, all of that is arguably a fine way to act at human populations about 1% of current, because it is a big planet with much homeostasis. At 10% or even numbers approaching current, we still have managed. However, 120% of current is a lot. It is arguably, qualitatively different. Optimists (like me) suppose there is a way to 'manage' the planet gracefully, but that those time-tested ways are not ideal choices.

    N. America original people get praise for operating within system limits, but it might be a bit overstated. Anyway they had plenty of wars among groups. Wars over pinyon pine nuts in years of high production, for gosh sakes!
     
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    i think we do agree, but one of us hasn't stated her case clearly.(n)
     
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