Intelligence Failures

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TonyPSchaefer @ Sep 13 2006, 01:29 PM) [snapback]319012[/snapback]</div>

YOU ARE NOT POSSIBLY ARGUING THAT WE FOUND EVIDENCE OF IRAQ HAVING WMD'S BUT OUR INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES ARE HIDING IT FROM US - ARE YOU??

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ditto @ Sep 14 2006, 12:53 PM) [snapback]319555[/snapback]</div>

I agree with you - and was pointing to the falacy of his argument. Reports have confirmed that Saddam could have reconstituted his WMD programs within several years. We know he USED WMD's! Where did they go. To believe he destroyed them all is as silly as believing we can create a "fortress America" or we can rely solely on intelligence services to protect us. The thought that there was not sharing of infor amongst the bad guys like the khan network is believing in the tooth fairy - we KNOW NoKo and Iran share technology - that Iran and Hezbollah share technology - the France and Iran and Iraq shared technology - that China and Iran share technology - that Russia and Iran share technology - etc etc etc. Amazing how we let institutions like the UN who are in part governed by these countries to have a say in our security - and even more silly - how some Americans can't see through this complete farce - I guess these are the same Americans who could not believe the oil for food scandal could have happened at all -- i am believing this to be the LARGEST scandal in human history --- these same Americans are willing to put their faith in the same institution is totally INSANE unless of course the wish ill for the US of A or believe we should be diminished.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TonyPSchaefer @ Sep 14 2006, 01:36 PM) [snapback]319585[/snapback]</div>

You want to have your cake and eat it too. Well which is it. We found WMD's in Iraq (we did if you consider Saran gas a WMD) or not - we can predictably rely on our intelligence agencies to let us know when we need to destroy iran's nuclear program before its too late??

Knowing that you do NOT want Iran to become a nuclear power - I am sure you can understand the dilema of never knowing when iran will actually cross that threshold and will allow President Bush some leyway when (hopefully) he destroys their nuclear facilities.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Sep 14 2006, 03:34 PM) [snapback]319663[/snapback]</div>

I would not trust the Canadians either with nukes - especially the french speaking ones.

I am not sure about your point in the second paragraph - sorry - busy day - and I have to recertify tonight for ACLS - a real PITA (my specialty

Your third paragraph sent me for both a little PPI and Tylenol. You admit our intelligence services cant tell poo for shinola about a countries nuclear program - especially if that is a "closed" country like Iran - yet you are willing to risk waiting and seeing instead of acting in terms of their nuke program. You say they are not an immediate problem - the Israeli's think Iran could go nuclear in under one year! When would you suggest addressing them aggressively? How much evidence do you need? Do you honestly think they are developing this technology for electric power generation? If the answer is no, why wait toooo long before acting to do what you think is the right thing anyway? And now, a second tablet of tylenol and a review of pulseless tachycardia.

And Iraq has nothing to do with Iran. And if you call almost 2 dozen UN resolutions and a decade + of being shot at "acting in haste" I would caution you that Iran will be a nuclear power before you would act.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KMO @ Sep 14 2006, 01:33 PM) [snapback]319582[/snapback]</div>

Do you truly believe Iraq was WMD free?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Sep 14 2006, 05:51 PM) [snapback]319746[/snapback]</div>

I love Canada

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(etyler88 @ Sep 13 2006, 01:35 PM) [snapback]319014[/snapback]</div>

What are you proposing - we indict the terrorists to death?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(KMO @ Sep 14 2006, 05:15 PM) [snapback]319724[/snapback]</div>

What delivery system are you expecting from them?? some three staged ICBM?? How about the simple guy in a turbin with a small backpack or suitcase? How is that delivery system for you - try stopping that one.

And you have got to be kidding about the effectiveness of bio or chem weapons right? Are you not aware that conventional weapons (lead, metal) are designed to wound and not necessarily kill? Would you rather have someone shoot at you are release a bio weapon. And you want us to believe you and your opinion about what or what does not threaten us?? Come on.

A little hint - what do you think lies in the Bekka Valley in Syria - at least possibly - or could have been hidden anywhere underground? So Saddam was a guy who regretted gassing 100,00+ Kurds and decided to join the society of do-gooders? What would you have thought of Hitler in 1936-8?? A good guy, creating a good economy for Germany - making jobs for Germans - making them feel better about themselves?????

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jonnycat26 @ Sep 15 2006, 01:54 PM) [snapback]320175[/snapback]</div>

Cute but not intelligent. The answer to the first point is show me evidence we did that - thanks. And by the way the answer is probably not. The technology to make saran etc is well known and fairly easy to do - but still looking forward to you providing evidence as to your assertion.

Second - giving stingers to forces fighting the Soviets was brilliant at the time - and we must sometimes live in the present. You think those stingers are still effective?

And - what point are you trying to make by going back in history decades - now that the dynamics are all changed?

I guess you should blame Adam if you want to be true to yourself - that damned apple - why did God put it there? That apple is the cause of all this evil

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jonnycat26 @ Sep 15 2006, 02:13 PM) [snapback]320183[/snapback]</div>

You are still being cute here. Making mistakes of the past:
bj doing nothing as islamonazis continued to murder Americans -
peanut brain carter letting the Shah be overthrown
bj letting the nuclear genie out of the bottle 3 times


What lesson were we supposed to learn from Afghanistan? We could overthrow a government that supported terror in two months? That women could be elected to national office in a greater % than here? Was that the same lesson we should have learned from the 1930's about appeasement you were referring to???????????

If those stingers are so effective 30 years later - why have they not shot down more aircraft the same way they did against the Russians??? Where are they buying the batteries for that sucker? Whis is doing the maintenance on them and upgrading their seekers to overcome electronic defenses found on current airframes? If they were good - why haven't they used them?? And BTW - they are not a simple weapons system.