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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Over the years I've become skeptical of advocacy groups that claim to rate, rank, and give awards. Too often, I've found the ratings and rankings lacked transparency and seemed disconnected from empirical data but happily, that is not the case with Greenercars.org.
    • open evaluation criteria - How We Determine Ratings | Greener Cars although their coefficients aren't posted, it is clear they are data driven.
    • easy access to vehicles - GreenerCars Ratings | Greener Cars it appears they use the same downloadable "test car database" that I've often used for my narrow studies. In contrast and to their credit they have institutionalized these data using their evaluation criteria for all of the cars.
    Now their focus is narrowly based upon pollution and vehicle efficiency and that is good. But it isn't clear they are using the vehicle volume, passenger and luggage, or range as part of their criteria. Still, there is more to like than dislike about their approach.

    I learned about this group from this: Hyundai Ioniq Award
    Make and model Specifications Emission standard a MPG city MPG hwy Green Score
    1 Hyundai Ioniq Electric b Electric (Li-ion bat.) Tier 3 Bin 0 / LEV III ZEV 4.67 3.79 64
    2 BMW i3 (60Ah) b Electric (Li-ion bat.) Tier 3 Bin 0 / LEV III ZEV 4.08 3.3 64
    3 Toyota Prius Eco 1.8L 4; auto Tier 3 Bin 30 / LEV-III SULEV30/PZEV 58 53 62
    4 Fiat 500E b Electric (Li-ion bat.) Tier 3 Bin 0 / LEV III ZEV 3.59 3.07 62
    5 Nissan Leaf b Electric (Li-ion bat.) Tier 3 Bin 0 / LEV III ZEV 3.67 3 60
    6 Chevrolet Bolt b Electric (Li-ion bat.) Tier 3 Bin 0 / LEV III ZEV 3.78 3.27 59
    7 Kia Soul Electric b Electric (Li-ion bat.) Tier 3 Bin 0 / LEV III ZEV 3.55 2.73 59
    8 Toyota Prius Prime c Electric (Li-ion bat.) / 1.8L 4; auto LEV-III SULEV30 4.26 / 55 3.58 / 53 59
    9 Toyota Prius c 1.5L 4; auto LEV-III SULEV30 48 43 58
    10 Ford Focus Electric b Electric (Li-ion bat.) Tier 3 Bin 0 / LEV III ZEV 3.56 2.84 58
    11 Honda Accord Hybrid 2.0L 4; auto Tier 3 Bin 30 / LEV-III SULEV30/PZEV 49 47 58
    12 Kia Niro FE 1.6L 4; auto LEV-III SULEV30 52 49 58

    Now there are other practical aspects of cars that make one purchase take priority over another. For example, having actual cars for sale. The timing flaw of this report is coming out before the first Monroney sticker Ioniq at a dealer. But Hyundai has been exploiting this weakness for a long time ... 'cry wolf' or "squirrel".

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  2. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk Senior Member

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    I'm confused by the mpg ratings, pure electric vs hybrid. Must be some fundamental shift in the measuring units? This is just an example, and on the website it's explained?
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    They are trying to resolve the MPGe vs MPG issue by posting what appears to be mi/kWh . . . without the units identified. The values <10 are mi/kWh and higher numbers are MPG. It is confusing and doesn't really solve the problem in a clear and unambiguous way. But I appreciate them posting the raw numbers.

    My approach has been to use local to Huntsville gasoline retail, $2.20/gal Plus, and home electrical rates, $0.10/kWh, to calculate $cost/10 miles. It so happens our BMW i3-REx comes in at $0.25/10 miles electric and $0.60/10 miles gas as of the summer 2016. But we know other regions have substantially different rates for both.

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    mikefocke Prius v Three 2012, Avalon 2011

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    Suggest they add the model year they are referring to as otherwise misleading.
     
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    What is a Prius Prime c ? Some sort of mashup or an unannounced smaller plugin?

    Prius Eco is listed but the non-Eco Liftback is MIA too
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Check the source reference. There were a number of footnotes and that was actually "Prius Prime (c)" with a reference to footnote "c". When I cut-and-pasted to make the PriusChat table, some things were lost in the translation. I would go back and fix them but the edit clock expired.

    Sorry,
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    Sorry, I did not realize that.
    Thank you for the clarification.