Ioniq 5 News Thread

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  1. Lee Jay

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    The gap seems to be closing:

    CCS:
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    Supercharger:
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    According to AFDC from the Us government there are now 3353 ccs fast charging station locations with 6207 plugs in the US. This may be outdated. Tesla operates 973 superchargers with 9601 plugs. From that it seems like ccs would be better for long trips, but tesla put the bulk of theirs at locations to charge on trips, while ccs are few and far between on routes.

    Looking up the new ccs charger location by me, it has 4 plugs that can be either 50 kw chademo or 125 kw - 400V ccs. During the black out I see one audi charged (ccs) and one leaf charged chademo - that location is by a hospital so it didn't black out. It is at a grocery store that also has a restaurant and bar, with other restaurants and healthcare facilities. It is definitely out of your way if you are driving on the highway, but only would add 15 minutes to a round trip on the exits.

    I am hoping that with gm, vw group, bmw, and now hyundai now having long range ccs bevs, they can add the chargers enroot. Given that porsche right now is the only one charging much faster on 800 V, most of these will be less expensive 125kw-175kw units. It really depends on the governments and car companies.
     
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    CCS over 50kW:

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    Wow- Montana, Wyoming and the Dakota's need to get their acts together!
     
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    if buyers don't know the hydrogen car can't drive around the different states - it's just primarily for use where you purchase it .... unless you loaded it on a trailer ... or have a hydrogen refueling truck driving behind you.
    Thanks for the tangent. Now, back on topic.

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    Would be more impressive to know the quantity of 350 KW Chargers around the US Nation.

    Not just how many they have now, but how many and how long will it take to catch up to supercharger Network.

    around So Cal, where you have more DC QC than any other state - its very convenient to pull over to charge. Crossing the nation? Not so much. Between a larger quantity of locations & stalls - versus charging twice as fast w/ fewer locations, and often just onesie twosies, at least until the infrastructure is built out - gimi quantity. No advantage in saving 15 minutes charge time, if you arrive at a single stall with 2 other cars in front of you - or it's a 9 minute drive off the main drag to get to it. The question is, how long until their growing pains are over?
     
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    In all my travels around the country, I've been to over a dozen superchargers, and in all that time I've seen exactly one Tesla using one of them.

    I clicked around on many of the 350kW chargers, and every one of them had four stations and every one but one (Salina Kansas) was within 3 blocks of the highway.
     
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    Unfortunately, I do not. The space, based on photos, leads me to believe it's the same measurement Toyota used to get the Prime's cargo value. The Ioniq5 appears to priortise passenger space. Now, the photos do show some controls for the rear seats and they look like recline and slide respectively. It's possible that Hyundai will offer sliding rear seats to help apportion interior space between passenger and cargo.
     
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    from one of the OP links, "Hyundai reports a WLTP rating of 470 to 480 kilometres in a two-wheel-drive model equipped with that big battery." That is a little over 298 miles. From comparisons of WLTP to EPA results for several models, dividing WLTP by 1.12 gives an estimate close to EPA, which would be 266 miles.

    Hyundai could be doing what European BEV manufacturers have done; put a large buffer into the pack. I don't they have stated if the released capacity figures are for total or usable amount.
     
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    I interpreted that as the 72kWh battery, not the 77kWh in the US.
     
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    Which may add up to 33km WLTP, which might mean 20 miles to EPA. So the gap with the Model Y LR AWD goes from 60 to 40 miles for the 2WD Ioniq 5. If Hyundai does the AWD right, the range won't be hurt by AWD, but others haven't, and their AWD range is lower than the 2WD model.
     
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    Wait, isn't the Model Y 82kWh gross?
     
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    I'm going with "who knows".

    Using EPA kWh/100mi and range, the Model Y pack is 88 to 91 kWh usable. The same calculation for the Kona Electric yields 72, but Hyundai's site says 64kWh. Because of the rounding, the MPGe figures are going to be a more precise value for the car's efficiency, but it's too late for that math now.

    EV-database.org says the Kona 64 is usable with 67.5 total. It lists the performance and long range AWD Model Y as 72.5/75
     
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    Who else would be shopping for Hydrogen vehicle but someone who lives in California. This is not rocket science.
     
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    The current long range pack is 82 kwh. The math error is that there are charging losses. If charging losses are 10% on L2 which is how the epa tests then given 125 mpge (to reduce rounding errors) we get 79.1 kwh for 96.5% usable battery. I suspect charging losses are in this range but are slightly higher. The 2018 model 3 that I have initially had a 80.5 kwh and about 75 kwh usable or 93.1% usable SOC. Perhaps the current battery is 93.1% usable which would make charging losses 13% or something in between.

    I doubt even hyundai currently knows the epa efficiency and range but we can guess from the wltp that the 77 kwh US pack has a range of between 250 and 300 miles. That's why I guesstimated 275 mile range. Tesla definitely upped their efficiency between 2018 and now. Both cars will be more efficient on DC fast chargers since the AC step up and dc conversion is done in the charger not the car ;-)
     
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    When it is finally out and is available at our local Hyundai dealers, I will have to consider it. Yeah, I seriously considered leasing the Gen1 Ioniq EV, but no find at my dealers.
    Hyundai Ioniq EV for $79/mo
     
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    Damn...I really like the design...and we own two ICE Hyundai vehicles that have been amazingly solid.

    Only problem is...I'm not ready for a full electric yet. I really wish it would come in a hybrid or PHEV variant!
     
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    Kinda hard to do on a BEV platform. Without reworking that, the engine would have to be in the back, and maybe just a series hybrid.

    The 2022 Tucson will have a hybrid and PHEV option. It is similar size to this.
     
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    Yeah yeah, details details...haha. One can wish though...right? (y)
     
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    A solution might be to replace one of your two vehicles and keep the other one for those times when a BEV is impractical. I may do that - keep my Prius Prime and add a BEV, using the Prime for when I want to go somewhere I can't in the BEV.
     
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