Iran's Holocaust Conference

dbermanmd · Dec 21, 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MegansPrius @ Dec 21 2006, 09:19 AM) [snapback]365027[/snapback]</div>

The other good news with these elections is that Ahmadinejad's party also suffered losses not only in the local councils, but in the Assembly of Experts, which is where the real power is and where 65 of the 86 seats up for vote went to the Reformist-Conservative faction, which opposes Ahmedinejad's new hardliners:
The biggest surprise - and perhaps the most important omen for future changes - is the support for Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a former president who was dealt a humiliating defeat by Mr. Ahmadinejad in last year's presidential runoff.
With more than three-quarters of the ballots counted Sunday night, Mr. Rafsanjani was leading the race in Tehran for the Assembly of Experts, which supervises and can replace Iran's supreme religious leader. He took almost twice the number of votes as the ayatollah seen as Ahmadinejad's spiritual mentor, who trailed in seventh.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1218/p06s02-wome.html

And to top it off, he's facing new student protests
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/21/world/mi...amp;oref=slogin

Now, none of this obviously amounts to overturning their religious theocracy, but, in wake of the holocaust conference in this thread title, it does seem to suggest that the politics of hate didn't play there as well as Ahmadinejad had hoped.
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Nice to think but makes absolutely ZERO difference since he pulls all the strings. No different from Germany iof the 1930's.

Hate does not usually play well anywhere in a unversal pattern - combine hate, a "dictatorship, a love of death, and nuclear weapons and you have the ultimate combo platter.

Stev0 · Dec 21, 2006

Hate does not usually play well anywhere in a unversal pattern - combine hate, a "dictatorship, a love of death, and nuclear weapons and you have the ultimate combo platter.[/b]
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Don't worry, Bush will be out of office in a couple of years.

Trollbait · Dec 21, 2006

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No, I don't take it as bad news, but I don't take it as particularly good news either. My understanding of the situation in Iran is that Rafsanjani represented the idea of "reform", but the people there chose the hard-liner in the run off. Now they are moving back toward what I can only expect will be "soft" reform.

I've also read that the President of Iran really doesn't wield the power in the country, as its in the hands of the Mullahs, so there's only an appearance of a reform or hard line leader. Until the religious tyranny is overturned, the Iranians will not see freedom, and we will not see peace in the region.
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At least on paper he is second in command, but there are other 'branches' in their system which likely curtails his power. Unlike the US president, he doesn't have any power over the military. The Mullahs are the ones with practical control of the country.

The people had voted for reform in that first election, but the Mullahs didn't like their choice and forced the run off.

Nice to think but makes absolutely ZERO difference since he pulls all the strings.[/b]
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He doesn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#Government_and_politics

Black2006 · Dec 22, 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Dec 15 2006, 04:39 PM) [snapback]362975[/snapback]</div>

Still inaccurate. There has always been a Jewish presence in what the Romans renamed Palestine, even after they exiled the majority of the Jews to the diaspora....[/b]
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Oh, history, again?!

But, you know, speaking of ancient history, the Egyptians and their vassals ruled this land way before there were such people as the Israelites..., so I suppose you think they (the Egyptians) should get it now?

Black2006 · Dec 22, 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Wildkow @ Dec 20 2006, 12:32 AM) [snapback]364485[/snapback]</div>

....BTW, it was the Church and at that time, all the other scientist that rejected the round earth idea and any other ideas that rocked the boat.... The Church (Christian) was the first organization to institute an organization to study the higher sciences. Today they are called colleges and universities.

Wildkow
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Hm, I don't know..., it seems to me, that for about a millennium, Christianity obliterated virtually all science, from cartography to astronomy. I don't know if you've seen an 8th century "cross" map, or compared it with a Greek or Roman map, but it will give you an idea of the power of the Church to remake the world of the simple and the illiterate.

We are lucky that parchment was expensive, so the faithful didn't burn all of the ancient's knowledge, but collected some of the pieces to scrape and reuse for their psalms. Thank the Bearded Guy for large monastery libraries, where the parchment loot was stored, and thank FSM for modern science and synchrotron X-rays, that we can still read the words of some of those "pagan" scientists under the scribbles of Dark Ages delusionals.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(fshagan @ Dec 16 2006, 04:34 PM) [snapback]363250[/snapback]</div>

Do you think this will matter? Perhaps we need more study to determine if this really happened, or a study to show why 17.5 million victims could not be represented by 50 million pages, OR that the shelving cannot be 16 miles in length because the building's too small....
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I am not certain you really believe in scientific debate, and what it entails (theory, evidence...?) The number of pages is irrelevant: the "flat-earthers" had a thousand+ years of written record behind them.... What matters is FREE discourse. As they say, the truth is born from an argument..., not from mere repetition.

And, no, I am not actually arguing about the details of the Holocaust.

fshagan · Dec 23, 2006

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MegansPrius @ Dec 21 2006, 06:19 AM) [snapback]365027[/snapback]</div>

The other good news with these elections is that Ahmadinejad's party also suffered losses not only in the local councils, but in the Assembly of Experts, which is where the real power is and where 65 of the 86 seats up for vote went to the Reformist-Conservative faction, which opposes Ahmedinejad's new hardliners:
The biggest surprise - and perhaps the most important omen for future changes - is the support for Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a former president who was dealt a humiliating defeat by Mr. Ahmadinejad in last year's presidential runoff.
With more than three-quarters of the ballots counted Sunday night, Mr. Rafsanjani was leading the race in Tehran for the Assembly of Experts, which supervises and can replace Iran's supreme religious leader. He took almost twice the number of votes as the ayatollah seen as Ahmadinejad's spiritual mentor, who trailed in seventh.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1218/p06s02-wome.html

And to top it off, he's facing new student protests
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/21/world/mi...amp;oref=slogin

Now, none of this obviously amounts to overturning their religious theocracy, but, in wake of the holocaust conference in this thread title, it does seem to suggest that the politics of hate didn't play there as well as Ahmadinejad had hoped.
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Well, I certainly hope so. Dick Cheney and our State Department did make a big deal of the student protests before Ahmedinejad won, but that talk died down as the hard liners took power. I thought it was perhaps just another one of Mr. Cheney's errors, but it looks like he may have been right.

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