is 10% increase on EPA cycle realistic?

How many people buy four-door hatchbacks for sex appeal?

If that's what you want, buy a Vette. I buy this car to haul my stuff and my family, efficiently, at modest cost, and with little or no hassle. Period.

And Steve's changes didn't get me to buy any Apple stuff - I didn't have any before he came back, and I haven't bought any since.

 

we're talking about glove boxes because toyota hasn't told us much else. but if you look back at the 3rd gen release, the talk was pretty much the same, 'looks don't impress me', 'don't like the bridge', mpg increase isn't as much as expected', 'handling, acceleration, soundproofing, seats aren't much better'. nothing new under the sun, you guys must be newcomers.

 

Battery development will always be evolving newer materials, process, more power, less wgt, size, and recharge time. Costs, reliability, and recycling will also be a never ending process also.

DBCassidy

 

A. New tire spec: Inflate to 44 psi.
B. New software spec: enable cheat mode when mpg test track is detected.

Ooops. Scratch B. VW ruined that one for us.

 

Without knowing frontal area, you can't make that claim.

 

Please tell me you didn't multiply width times height to get that. Obviously, on a curvy thing like a car, you have to integrate.

 

Your 0.5% is probably +/- 5%, at least.

 

Guilty as charged, I just came onto the Prius scene late in the 2010 model year. We managed to snag a 15 month old "new" car, about 10 km's on the odo. Something the salesmen neglected to point out, but hey, it's worked out great, knock-on-wood.

So I wasn't aware of 2nd to 3rd gen transition, pushback, that sort of thing. But I can imagine it. Was it as vehement as the current debacle, do you think?

If there is this sorta tearing-and-healing of expectations with each generation, it's debatable that we're actually progressing, that it's becoming a "better" car. It's evolving, that's for sure.

One thing, that's largely unspoken I think: the Prius is a BIG part of our lives, more so than a regular car. And when Toyota comes along willy-nilly with a new rendition, that just might bomb, there's consternation, justifiable I think. Well, unless we wean ourselves.

 

This proves (again) that you cannot make a reasonable judgment and build theories on partial facts.
This whole thread should have been titled: What you anticipate (wish/unwish) will be the EPA rating of Gen 4 - place your bet here.
Not more than a betting game (which is fine - as a game).

 

Those numbers in the manual are definitely wrong !
Why would they decrease max . system power output ?
To get better fuel economy?
The new Toyota Auris Hybrid refresh in Europe allready gets 3.6 Liters on 100 Km which is about 65 mpg,but since European cycle is a bit unrealistic ,it would probably about 54 mpg US rating .
So if even the "old" HSD with 136 hp is capable of getting quite realistically 54 mpg,,why would it take such a downsize of the power train to squeeze just one more freaking mpg out of the vehicle ?
We will have to wait and see what happens on Oktober 29.,but I am quite sure I'm right !

 

The Auris HSD is a smaller and lighter vehicle, isn't it?

 

perhaps we're a more passionate bunch, or perhaps it's like this on every car site, idk. but with prius, it's hard to improve on perfection, so expectations may be a bit unrealistic. if you took everything everyone wanted in all these threads, you'd need a gazillion models.