Is America Ready for Obama?

Doberman, we've pointed out time and time again that your use of Obama's middle name is inappropriate. You always reply that it's his legal name and it'll play a big role, etc... Just drop it. Use his name like everyone else. You don't refer to bush as "G. Walker Bush", even though any relation you could pull between him and Chuck Noris (Aka Walker, texas ranger) would be great - after all, Chuck Noris's tears cure cancer. Instead, it's common usage around the country (even the world) to refer to political and social figures by one name. Lieberman is Lieberman, Bush is Bush (or Bush Jr./Bush Sr. or Bush I/W if you want to make a clear distinction), Clinton is Clinton or Bill (but hardly ever both), Hillary is Hillary (only to differentiate her from her husband), Guiliani is Guiliani, McCain is McCain.

To continue to refer to Obama as B. Hussein Obama only shows your racism. You are the only one i have ever heard call him by his middle name. You only do it as an attempt to belittle him. In the end, the result is the same as when posters on here call you doberman. You don't like it due to the malice and dislike you perceive behind the name. Well, from now on any time you call Obama by his middle name in this vain attempt at racism i'm going to call you doberman in return.

After all, don't dish it out if you can't take it.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ichabod @ Feb 15 2007, 06:56 AM) [snapback]390814[/snapback]</div>

[Emphasis mine.]

I see a subtle difference to the above:

There is a pervasive attitude that women ought to be weaker, so that a woman who is clearly strong, confident, assertive, is perceived as masculine, or as trying to be masculine, and characterized as either "lesbian" or a "b*itch." It's a catch 22, because if a woman appears "feminine" she is seen as too weak to govern, but if she appears strong enough to govern, she is seen as not "ladylike" enough.

On a related topic, the Republicans understand that most people are not swayed by reasoned argument, but by emotion, so they'll find and exploit anything they can use to generate negative emotion towards an opponent, while concentrating on generating positive emotion towards their own candidate.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eagle33199 @ Feb 15 2007, 10:43 AM) [snapback]390842[/snapback]</div>

Just calling Obama 'Hussein' doesn't make dbermanmd racist. If we vote Obama in to the oval office just because he's new with fresh ideas, wasn't around long enough to have a status quo to protect and was lucky enough to be the guy who's stand on the war turned out to be the "right" one, then we'll have to see if that makes him a good president. If he turns out to be a huge mistake, even you will be calling him 'Hussein'. It's ok to call Bush 'the shrub' and 'the chimp' but it's not ok to call Obama 'Hussein'? Someone who calls bush 'the chimp' today would gets laughs. What would that same person get for calling Obama 'the chimp'? Do you see the double standard? If Obama is going to be a full-fledged politician, he'll have to get used to name calling, wouldn't you say?

 

Vote for Al Sharpton! Vote for Jessie Jackson for Pres!!!!!

Im going for the ex NY mayor!! :lol:

 

doberman or i should call you dogpile!! Hi dogpile, why don't you go answer the facts in the economics threads you started first?

Oh wait you can't deal with facts, you just work on emotions. If you are a doctor I'm certainly glad you don't treat me, as it will depend on your emotional feeling for the day.

My dog leaves coils on the lawn with more personality than you, now go play in your sandbox. I'm sure you will be able to find a local KKK club in the vicinity.

This post added as much value as all your posts here, i.e. none.

Goodbye troll, oops I mean dogpile.

 

First to Doberman:
- calling you doberman in no way is an indication towards your religion... in fact, if you didn't constantly shove it down my (and everyone's) throats by calling us anti-semites when we say anything against you, i wouldn't even know you were jewish.
- Calling Obama by his middle name is a very clear attempt at eliciting a negative reaction by attempting to draw a connection to others named Hussein (like Sadam).
- You asked us to stop calling you Doberman, we complied. We ask you to stop calling Obama by his middle name, you resist. I enjoy listening to you spout double standards at times, but this is just starting to get annoying.

to Jack:
- I've never called Bush anything other than "Bush", "Bush 2", or "Dubbya"
(the last two only as ways of differentiating him from his father, not intended as insult). I don't laugh when people refer to him as a chimp (in fact, those comparison pictures are ridiculous - anyone who spends anytime in front of a camera could be put in them) or a shrub. I never endorsed these nicknames, nor do i find them appropriate. Saying that i'm setting a double standard is inaccurate and in poor taste.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eagle33199 @ Feb 15 2007, 12:33 PM) [snapback]390921[/snapback]</div>

I'm not saying that you are setting a double standard and I'm not saying that you called bush 'the chimp'. It's not personal, it's a fact. People call bush 'the chimp' so they should also be able to call Obama 'Hussein' without being branded racist.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Feb 15 2007, 12:36 PM) [snapback]390924[/snapback]</div>

It's a kind of name calling though. If bush's middle name was Adolph I'm guessing that you'd be feeling rather insulted that your boy was being compared to Hitler. Calling Obama 'Barak' would be appropriate, but when his middle name is the same as the first name of the late Iraqi dictator, it comes across as name calling and you know it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bulldog @ Feb 15 2007, 12:31 PM) [snapback]390915[/snapback]</div>

:lol: I'll have to remember that one, that's funny!

 

Berman, do you not remember the thread? every one of your assertions about the economy was shown to be completely, hopelessly false with hard facts... you refused to accept that, though... i see you still do.

And as for his middle name... No, i don't think it will become an issue. you want to know why? A candidate might try to use it against him, at which point it'll come back to bite them in the nice person and ruin their candidacy. It'll be widely seen as a cheap shot without any merit. It'll make people wonder why the candidate had to resort to such a low shot - maybe there was nothing else he could find wrong with Obama?

YOU are the only one who is making it an issue. YOU are the only one who cares what his middle name is. YOU are the only one who constantly tries to stick it in peoples faces. It smacks of desperation.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ichabod @ Feb, 06:56 AM) [snapback]390814[/snapback]</div>

I disagree. I think the vast majority of Americans are far more reasonable people than the OP. I think the GOP is very much afraid of Obama. He appeals to pretty much all the Democrats, which Hilary doesn't (although she does appeal more favorably to Black voters), and he appeals to so many in the middle - the real power is held in the middle. Guliani does too, but he has to get past the primaries first, which will be extremely tough for him.

I think the right's fear of Obama is the very reason they are training the likes of Doberman to bark out lies about him.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Feb 15 2007, 09:43 AM) [snapback]390930[/snapback]</div>

You obviously live in denial as you got your nice person handed to in the economic discussion. And for the record I didn't even debate it with you.

But then again you live in denial, so it doesn't even surprise me.

And you are right I have beter thing to do than even read the dumb and ignorant statements you make. That is the only thing were you are right.

So keep running form the facts and spread propaganda, hell it worked well for the Nazi's.

 

Once again, Doberman ignores a reasonable request, ignores a specific argument because it directly goes against what he's posting, and still expects people to take him seriously.

For the record, until you started calling me an anti-semetic, i didn't even know your religion. It's a baseless argument you're putting forward, and i'm guessing everyone can smell the stench of desperation coming off of you for making it.

So please, go ahead and call me an anti-semetic... i'll sit here and laugh at you for it. As i'm sure most of the rest of FHOP will.

And for the record, I can easily think of 5 very close friends of mine taht are jewish. 3 that are christian. and a handful more whose religion i don't know. And thats just my close friends.

 

Hussein Obama has a lot to hide from. Let him get fully submerged into the race and see how it goes for him.

His middle name is only one thing he'll try to leave off his resume. In the end, I don't think anyone will make any decisions based on his middle name, but the camp also knows if they do study groups, his negatives will be higher in the group that sees the word Hussein in his name, on his political banners, press, etc.. For this reason, the American press will make sure to leave it off.

The clintons are poster children for using the middle name. In fact for the last dozen years or more, it's been taboo to use Hillary Clinton.... oh, no... it's Hillary RODHAM Clinton. Too stuck up and proud to accept her husbands name I guess. Are they married or was it a political merger?

I've heard Billy called William Jefferson Clinton just about every time he's not referred to as Bill Clinton.

The middle name is a negative for Hussein Obama, so you and all the Hussein supporters would like the rest of us to leave it off the screen. It won't make a huge hill of beans difference, but I'd suggest that his opponents refer to him as "Barak Hussein Obama said...... did..... voted..... " in every sound bite they put out.