Is My Car Reporting Data

I already did, and Yes.

I don't do anything illegal in my house, but I do want to draw the curtains, sometimes.
I don't do anything illegal in my bedroom, but I do want to close the door sometimes.
I don't do anything illegal.... On and on.

When I'm driving my car, I'm in a public place. But I still don't think it's wrong to just want to drive without being tracked. I okay doing some things that are tracked, but must I give in to all of it?

The phone? I can leave it at home. Yes, it's possible, though I do carry it regardless.

The idea has become that when you buy a device, it's the communal property of both the seller and the buyer, such that the seller has to maintain contact with it, know how it's being used, data-mine and sell data from it, and make promotional offers via it, etc. Thgere's even beginning a push to have such internet-based inter-communicative devices all through the home, including thermostats, light sockets, refrigerators, alarm systems, etc.

My idea is that I don't want to do that. If I buy something, I like to just have it, use it, in peace.

It's not that I drive anywhere wrong, funny, or bad; it's that I see potential social problems that can result from the loss of privacy. My training is in sociology, social work, etc., and I worked in the N.S.A. during part of the cold war.

Think how the loss of privacy creates social change in this ONE example: Roe v Wade, abortion, was settled in great part because privacy was considered penumbric, under the constitution. So what if it's determined that we don't have that privacy any more? We go back to people risking their lives, seeking them in alleys, being dumped on the front lawn of a hospital? I'm an old social worker. Don't kid me about how it was. We going to need RFID chips inserted into our bodies to prove we're not doing anything wrong? And who watches the watchers?

I live a gentle life. I don't harm others. I don't break the law, I even drive a Prius for the environment--I don't even drive to embarrassing places, such as the Republican National Convention could be. (making a little joke there.) But I do feel I should be able to find out if a device of mine reports on me, without taking a lot of conspiracy or paranoid crap from people.

Is this what is has come to?

If you don't want to be tracked, if you don't want to give up your privacy, then you're nuts? Paranoid? Your decades-long education is crap because you see problems that could occur?

If you're into video, watch "The Majestic," with Jim Carrey, or any of a hundred others. Remember? For those old enough. Cultures come and go, but human nature hasn't changed throughout history.

If all our communications and goings are monitored, then we're only doing whatever we do, talking about whatever we talk about, by the agreement of those who monitor. Society may only learn about this all after it's too late.

But for now and for me, I'd just like to know if my car reports.

It's as simple as the GPS onboard, sending a burst transmission when in the presence of a cell phone (anyone's), or any wifi system, or---yes, this is easy and possible---or even the burst transmission without those: low power, to satellite receiver, and yes, wkith LESS than a 12 volt system, though 12 volts are available.

I checked: It's even illegal to buy a jammer, so I won't. So am I required to let myself be bugged? I'm allowed to turn the bugs off, but I'm not allowed to find out where they are?

Thank you for those who give good info.

Grow up, to those who would deride me for wanting to keep some of my privacy.

 

No. I've had an F.B.I. file since I was 17, prior to getting my clearance and going into the N.S.A. I don't break the law. A while back, I got a traffic ticket for failure to stop at a stop sign, and I beat it because I proved the officer was wrong. I don't like to break the law. But I just don't want to give up all my privacy.

I don't thnink a negative should be considered because someone wants privacy. Working for your own interests in social change is part of the democracy/republic we're supposed to be involved with, per President Jefferson, and I agree.

 

If you ever did, you'd know why that question doesn't make sense.

 

No, hon. You misunderstand. I'm not working for the N.S.A. or any such thing. Sorry to mess up your fantasy.

 

Hi. Thank you for getting closer to it. These posts are a difficult way to communicate, ideas being shared are brief and only by typing, so I know misunderstandings abound. I'm not interested in living off any grid. I'm well interconnected in society.

I just began this thread curious to know if my car reports on me via EM radiation such as transmissions designed for the purpose, because my belief is that it's my car, not community property with other companies or agencies, and while I do generally take my phone with me/leave it on, while I do use credit cards, while I do have most of my curtains open at home most of the time, I just don't think that I need to give up all privacy all the time. And where I AM being monitored, etc., then I'd like to KNOW about it, as opposed to it being surreptitious. So I ask. And I put up with people who misunderstand.

I'm aware that there are various forms of em radiations (tires, RFIDs, etc.) but I'm not talking about all of that.

For those who think the technology is unavailable, rare, or hard to engineer (small, low-power device that could report position from anywhere on the planet to satellites), see

Boaters have been using them for years. You're out in the ocean, you have a problem or want to stay in touch...

Even if someone got a car without nav, it'd be a very small issue to build in something that would automatically report and place it in the car where most people would never find or learn about it, and it could be the size of a postage stamp, inserted into another piece of electronics for a negligible cost. So even cars without a nav system may have something like this. And Jammers are illegal to buy (so I won't).

I think I'm just adjusting to the idea that privacy---a concept I was raised with---is a thing of the past. But even if so, I would like to know where, how and why.

You got closer to it with the 2 trim and the navigation system purposes. I'm tending to agree with what you've shared, but I think that it's unlikely, in the current environment, that tracking would be left OFF because someone doesn't buy nav. The data is clearly wanted, collected, sold, marketed, etc., and devices

I don't break the law. I don't go anywhere Im even embarrassed about. I don't even drive to some marital toy shop and buy vibrators... lol ...and if I did, I'd probably laugh to my neighbors about it saying I did. The truth usually disarms concern. I don't associate with law-breakers, etc., and, yes, I'm aware I'm monitored here. But I'm doing nothing wrong.

I'm also sorry that this simple subject---does my car report data about me via em burst transmissions---is so poorly understood or welcomed. Most people want to be happy in daily life and go about their business, and feel uncomfortable when someone brings up such a subject, because they want to pretent it's not happening. Denial.

So, even while I've learned a few things, I think maybe it was unwise to even raise the subject, and I should move on?

It's sad, that it should be so. But thank you for those who tried to be helpful.