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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by bwilson4web, Dec 23, 2014.

  1. DoubleDAZ

    DoubleDAZ Senior Member

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    The thing to be careful of is the minimum height, especially on the side of the road with a flat tire. Even the best jack is no good if you can't get it under the car. In my 50 years of driving, I've only had to use a car jack once and that was on our 1988 Grand Prix. If I run into trouble with the Prius, I guess I'll just wait on AAA. :)
     
  2. Mendel Leisk

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    The little steel wheels on a floor jack are designed for a concrete slab, not loose gravel or dirt. And hanging out into traffic using a floor jack on a narrow shoulder?
     
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    This jack and a Dewalt...less than 10 chock to chock...on Monday, half asleep, bass ackwards, in the rain. To each their own. ;)
     
  4. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Ok, more details:
    • Former front tires, Sumitomo T4s, 51 psi max sidewall
    • Front tires replace by rear Sumitomo T4s with 5/32" remaining
      • Part of this test was to NOT rotate tires so the front would wear out first
      • It worked as I have a year or so remaining on the now, front Sumitomo T4s
    • Replaced with Yokohamas, 51 psi max sidewall (51 psi Sumitomo T4s no longer available)
      • Firestone mounted and deflated to door jam pressure, 32-35 psi
      • Yokohamas are on the rear wheels per Firestone recommendation
      • 37F, last night, got barely 50 MPG on 32-35 psi, over 5+ miles @50 mph
      • 37F, this morning, got 63 MPG on 45-48 psi, over same 5+ miles @50 mph
        • because of cold and time, did not fully inflate tires
    • looking at having a lug-nut welded onto scissor jack and an electric drill
      • compact, see 'trailer stabilizing systems'
      • electric drill handles both scissors and wheel lug nuts
        • both cars have 1 kW, inverter
        • have not selected the electric drill, yet
    I agree that the scissors jack 'crank' is the weak part of the design. It has too much slop and not enough leverage. But with a welded lug-nut on the worm-screw and a strong electric drill, it should be no problem. I may need a U-joint to the socket. FYI, I've got a nice, electric hammer drill used to build the wheel-chair ramp for the wife. Worse comes to worse, use the lug wrench to crank it up and down but a long-handled ratchet would work too.

    Overall, I'm happy with this approach. The two new tires were half the cost of four. It also lets me roll-in a new brand of tires and not risk a whole lot if they don't work out.

    Bob Wilson

    ps. I'm more interested in high pressure tires over low-rolling resistance at lower pressure. Now if we're talking 45 vs 51 psi, well that is perhaps negotiable. But I really am a fan of hard tires for low rolling resistance . . . the physics are inescapable.
     
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  5. Mendel Leisk

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    A few examples:

    Honda style I've seen a lot:

    ScissorJack01.JPG

    (Having the two plates, some distance apart, make the linkage much more stable.)

    Our current Toyota jack, the style at least:

    ScissorJack02.JPG

    (The linkage jumps around, and the soft casting chews itself up, with every turn.)

    A "Rolls Royce" style I noticed, while browsing: ;)

    ScissorJack03.JPG

    Gotta post a link to the above. Guy made it as a project. The top cradle's too flat, ie: not practical for pinchweld, but very nice:

    Scissor Car Jack - SOLIDWORKS, Other - 3D CAD model - GrabCAD
     
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    The Electric Me Go Speed Go!

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    "Poof a cloud of- white power- flew from the passenger side, front tire".

    I hope that's just a spelling mistake and not a Freudian slip.

    Otherwise your Prius is being vandalized by The Klu Klux Klan.