It's official Toyota is full speed fuel cells for compliance after 2014

Toyota is supposed to sell in Japan by the end of the year, we don't have a date or price in the US, but Toyota has anounced 2015. 2015 may be lease only or sales.

The hyundai Tucson is indeed in southern california. I have no idea if they are at any dealerships yet. It could be a matter of paperwork or port installed equipment. We have no epa mpge on the car yet, which would be required for sales of the car. If they are leased with the intent to crush them later instead of sell them, they probably can get a waiver on the sticker.

Hill you should check out these dealerships
Hyundai Expects to Earn Credits, Not Profits on Tucson Fuel-Cell Vehicle | Auto Makers content from WardsAuto

One thing that is surprising

I thought it was 9 zev credits, but maybe CARB raised it to 26, versus 4 for the tesla S. I don't think tesla and nissan are getting nearly the $5K per credit.

 

It is really pathetic that the state of california is taxing for hydrogen stations now, but still haven't set standards for dispensing and charging for hydrogen. They have had 9 years to perhaps write and discuss required purity, fill pressures, and measuring unit, and since they already have a whopping 9 publicly funded, publicly used stations dispensing the stuff, there is no excuse for the foot dragging. We know why they are doing it. Once the regulations are done, we will know the price, and the price is higher than gasoline.

 

Yes, I think we already knew those things. In fact we don't even know if the fcv will be sold or only leased or pricing in the US or europe. The big announcement was disappointing also for the lack of information on the interior, only the exterior of the vehicle was shown.

Key figures that we do know. Hyundai, Honda, and Toyota are each producing 1000 fuel cell cars for world wide sales. To me this is very limited assembly, not mass production, which gives the nod to honda for the first "produced" fuel cell vehicle in the clarity. Hyundai looks to be number 2, and toyota 3rd, with sales or leases expected by the end of april in Japan. We don't know how many years or months.

Key figures
Hyundai Tucson Fuel cell 50 mile/kg H2
Hyundai Tucson 2wd gas 25 mpg
Toyota Rav4 EV 76 mpge (miles per 33.7 kwh)

On Toyota fcv we only have JC08 of 435 miles on 5 kg
Toyota FCV JC08 87 miles/ kg H2
prius JC08 77 mpg
leaf JC08 155 mpge (miles per 33.7kwh
JCo8 is a very easy test. We don't know how it will do on epa.

Toyota Advances Sale of Fuel-Cell Cars - WSJ

We don't know how long the 3 automakers plan on taking to sell the 3000 fuel cell vehicles between them. As a guide tesla plans on selling 35,000 BEV this year, mitsubishi is ramping production for 50,000 phevs/year. Toyota is expecting numbers like that not in 5 years but in a decade for fuel cell vehicles.

 

Nice, but ... the piece was acurate if copied from forbes and fortune. The war ...
Toyota’s fuel cell car throws down the gauntlet to Elon Musk - Fortune
Fortune has tried to put toyota's side of this thing out, even giving Jim Lentz a softball interview, and publicizing toyota's PR without many questions. Here they are more ballanced

The Japanese government has been greatly increasing coal imports lately. Hydrogen from imported coal might be much less expensive 20 years from now then gasoline from imported oil. In 50 or 60 years they may even build enough renewables or nuclear to make all the hydrogen with non-fossil fuel. WSJ speculated that the Japanese government may directly subsidize each of these fuel cells by 2 million yen, and if I crack the infrastructure numbers there will be about anouther 2 million yen for each projected fcv paid to build infrastructure. That will make each fcv that honda and toyota produces get about 4 million yen, or $39K almost as much as 2 aquas (prius c). Now it makes more sense with subsidies that high toyota thinks they may make a go of it and be profitable in 15 or 30 years.

The other thing clear from the articles is why the japanese government is willing to pour so much money into this. 9% of Japanese manufacturing jobs are in auto. They want this to continue, with japanese workers making cars to export. Forbes speculated with the large fuel cell subsidies anounced, toyota will likely not move manufacturing jobs for the prius to the US as sort of a quid pro quo. We will see. In mid 2013 there was a lot of talk of finally making the car in the US, but that has ended. I'm sure toyota will give a reason if it cancels plans again, but it will likely in my mind be these subsidies. Here is the latest, no speculation of prius plants, but some solid work on the agenda.
Japan's Backing To Fuel-Cell Cars Could Benefit Toyota's New Model - Forbes