John Kerry

It sure sounds like he's dispariging the troops, for that he should apologize.

Being a combat vetran I'd be very surprised if he meant it to sound that way. I'd bet he was trying to tie education (or lack of) in to the current leadership in DC but it didn't come out that way at all.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Oct 31 2006, 02:50 PM) [snapback]341447[/snapback]</div>

I would suggest that perhaps he was speaking metaphorically. Not about an individual, but about the Country as a whole. In that light, what I take this to mean is: either we, as a Nation, can "be smart" and "do well" or we can "...get stuck in Iraq."

Mr. Berman, I might suggest that, again, your excessive fear and feelings of persecution might be coloring your inference, not Kerry's implication.

 

I'll agree that it came off badly, but come on, you can give the man some credit. As a politician i highly doubt he intended to say anything against the troops themselves. instead, i think he was attempting to point out that Bush is a moron who got himself, and this country, stuck in Iraq.

It's interesting, because you never posted a link to the video, so none of us can "hear" this silence you speak of, we only have the quote to go off of (i'm sorry, but i prefer to research my own news, not have it spoon fed to me by someone with a political agenda over the TV). from the quote you provided, it appears that he was speaking off the cuff, and may not have realized how his statement came off.

 

It was a totally stupid remark, if he was really presidental material he would instead make more educated remarks like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FLvwlLv65Y.

:lol:

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Oct 31 2006, 03:37 PM) [snapback]341477[/snapback]</div>

I, too, wish you'd have posted a link to the video. And I'm not a big Kerry fan, now or ever...but for the life of me I can't realistically believe that what was said carried the meaning that he intended...nor can I conceive that most reasonable people would conclude that he made a statement which attacks our soldiers.

Mr. Berman, perhaps *you* should consider giving him the benefit of the doubt.

That said, I do wish that Kerry (regardless of what he meant) would have offered a clarification. Any pol worth his/her weight should know how easily a remark like this can be spun out of control.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Oct, 02:50 PM) [snapback]341447[/snapback]</div>

He was not referring to the troops. He was referring to Bush.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(juniper @ Oct 31 2006, 10:32 PM) [snapback]341703[/snapback]</div>

It was clear to me from the beggining he was referring to Bush. I guess I think of Bush as a moron already so I was predisposed for the joke.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Oct 31 2006, 02:50 PM) [snapback]341447[/snapback]</div>

Please, research the context of that remark and it will be obvious that he was referring to Bush, not the troops.

 

Everyone should know I am NOT a fan of Kerry, but in this situation, I buy his point that he was referring to Bush. I am actually ashamed of the GOP for jumping all over this. I hope it backfires on them.

We have ALL said things that "sound" bad. While I would expect prepared speeches to not have this, extemporaneous speeches should always be given the benefit of the doubt.

 

My take and one of his explanations’ before he flip-flopped to a more believable one, is that it was joke gone badly. If that is the case he should at least apologize for any offense taken and this truly tasteless joke. But IMHO not for calling soliders stupid as I am sure he did not mean that. For the life of me I can see no way to make this joke or political slight funny or apropos to the situation. But that’s just me I guess. <_<

Wildkow

p.s. Hehe, if it wasn't the height of the political season this would be a non-story. Talk about nookieular stoopidity! :lol:

 

I don't buy it! :angry:

Even if he did flub a prepared joke, why couldn't he have at least said something like, 'if any soldier misinterpreted that joke, and thusly my intent, and personally felt a demoralizing effect, for that, I am truly sorry.'

But noooooooo. He goes on to bury himself deeper in his doodo by saying. “Let me make it crystal clear. As crystal clear as I know how. I apologize to no one for my criticism of the president and his broken policy. If anyone owes our troops in the fields an apology, it is the president and his failed team, and the Republican majority in the congress that has been willing to stamp – rubber stamp – policies that have done injury to our troops and their families . . .â€

What an arrogant bastard. He's too perfect to admit a mistake . . . a misstatement. It's YOUR fault if you did not get his joke.

Rubber stamp?
On October 11, 2002, he placed his rubber stamp on H.J.RES.114 to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:H.J.RES.114:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll...;vote=00237#top

Then later he has the gall to say, “We should not have gone to war knowing the information that we know today," Kerry said Wednesday on ABC’s “Good Morning America.†"Knowing there was no imminent threat to America, knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, knowing there was no connection of Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda, I would not have gone to war. That's plain and simple."

But on Aug. 9, 2004, when asked if he would still have gone to war knowing Saddam Hussein did not possess weapons of mass destruction, Kerry said: “Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it was the right authority for a president to have.â€
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/29/...ain646435.shtml

Thank you Kerry. Thank you for showing your true colors. YOU RUBBER STAMPED!!!
“I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.†Yep, there's an Ivy League intellect at work for you.

A javascript link to Kerry's “joke†is in the below CNN article.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/31/ker...cain/index.html
Unfortunately the CNN commentator cuts in and ruins the silence after the laughter subsides. But more telling are the faces of the kids in the background after he told his “joke.†[classic! :lol: ]

 

John Kerry responds:

“If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy. This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. I’m sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did.

The people who owe our troops an apology are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who misled America into war and have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it. These Republicans are afraid to debate veterans who live and breathe the concerns of our troops, not the empty slogans of an Administration that sent our brave troops to war without body armor.â€

 

:lol:

I love the way the Bush hata's actually defend Kerry in the face of an unambiguous, egregious, comment!

OMG, I'm still cracking up...!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

dberman, GREAT litmus test for BIAS!!!

 

Regardless. The ones getting troops KILLED unnecessarily are Bush and Co. And for that there is no way to sufficiently apologize.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alric @ Nov 1 2006, 11:26 AM) [snapback]341840[/snapback]</div>

Gee, you could say that about any President, during any war in our history....