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Karl Rove To Be Indicted in Plame Leak Case

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  1. daronspicher

    daronspicher Active Member

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    If you want faster results, just hang out here. He's guilty already, and so is Bush and Cheney if you just follow this forum and throw truth and reason out the window. It can be a special little liberal self absorbed self important world right here.

    Just remember to block out truth... it can ruin your experience here.
     
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  2. ghostofjk

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    My money says Fitzgerald isn't unsealing the indictment because he's got another fish or two to fry, and the indictment itself contains something that could help a fish to get away or change his story. No one has followed this story with the closeness of Jason Leopold.
     
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  3. Mystery Squid

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    see, this is the sort of thing that goes on ALL the TIME in the real world. it's only newsworthy because bottom feeding liberals slither around and scour their dirty floors with diseased tongues for any crumbs, real or imaginary, they can get...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Jun 1 2006, 08:02 PM) [snapback]264446[/snapback]</div>
    Funny, but I thought it was the scum-sucking, power hungry conservatives that trumped up a presidential personal indiscretion into a national tragedy. Talk about bottom feeders. In Europe this wouldn't have made it to the back pages. But here, it's cause for impeachment? Talk about a double-standard.
     
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    Seeing that there is no time limit imposed by the law for the indictment to be unsealed we just have to wait. I suspect it isn't true, and the source lied to Truthout, or was mistaken. There might be something there, but this much of a delay doesn't help the credibility of the Truthout story.
     
    #25 fshagan, Jun 2, 2006
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    Didn't Plame's husband "out" her years ago when he listed her as his wife with her profession in the Whos Who of American, a blatant pay for space vanity book ?

    Surely any serious secret agent would not want to be listed there....
     
    #26 stevedegraw, Jun 2, 2006
  7. ghostofjk

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Karnac @ Jun 1 2006, 09:56 PM) [snapback]264513[/snapback]</div>
    I hadn't heard that, and I've followed the case closely for a couple of years. Could it be that he simply identified her employer as the CIA? They have lots of clerical employees. Novak used the word "operative", which is well-recognized among journalists to mean "spy".
     
    #27 ghostofjk, Jun 2, 2006
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    Putting aside for a moment all questions about who is going to go to jail for how long, what ever happened to Bush promising that he would fire anyone in his adminstration who outed Plame? Was it just another in a very long series of lies?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Karnac @ Jun 2 2006, 12:56 AM) [snapback]264513[/snapback]</div>
    The Who's Who entry (does anyone read that book anymore?) says nothing about Valerie Wilson's occupation; it only identifies her by her maiden name (apparently the usual practice in Who's Who):
    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/wilson.whoswho.pdf
     
    #29 larkinmj, Jun 2, 2006
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Subversive @ Jun 2 2006, 01:09 AM) [snapback]264518[/snapback]</div>
    Yup.
     
    #30 larkinmj, Jun 2, 2006
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daronspicher @ Jun 1 2006, 10:02 PM) [snapback]264403[/snapback]</div>

    Stephen Colbert said it best when he said, "Everyone knows that reality has a known liberal bias".

    When it comes to coolaid drinking right wing nutbags, remember that there are no laws against acting stupid.

    Dave
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    Reducing my dependency on American oil from foreign lands....one little goofy car at a time.....
     
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    Dum dee dum dum....*yawn*, still waiting.
     
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  13. Wildkow

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Schmika @ Jun 4 2006, 08:38 PM) [snapback]265809[/snapback]</div>
    Me too . . . [attachmentid=3779]
     
    #33 Wildkow, Jun 12, 2006
  14. daronspicher

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    CNN "White House senior adviser Karl Rove has been told by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald that he will not be charged in the CIA leak case, according to Robert Luskin, Rove's lawyer. "

    1. Gotta love that Truthout.org. They made up their own version of the truth. Fortunately their idiot was wrong AGAIN. I guess if you make up enough stuff, maybe one day one thing will actually happen the way you hoped it would. Not this one.

    2. Just because they can't get any of their stories right doesn't mean that liberals have to stop listening to them. Soak it in, change your life based on their cutting edge reporting... Stand up for what they tell you to believe. Just means you'll always be wrong...

    3. As much as the other liberally bent networks make up news or slant to the left on their stories, kudo's to them for not picking up this pack of lies from truthout.

    Line up here to say you were wrong. We know who you are, the posts are in the thread...
     
    #34 daronspicher, Jun 13, 2006
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    And the wait is over, as Marlin points out. Who says you can't beat the system?
     
    #35 NuShrike, Jun 13, 2006
  16. Mystery Squid

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    ...I wonder if any liberals threw themselves upon their swords?

    :lol:
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Jun 13 2006, 08:49 AM) [snapback]270455[/snapback]</div>
    Nope, just another OJ.
     
    #37 tleonhar, Jun 13, 2006
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daronspicher @ Jun 13 2006, 05:04 AM) [snapback]270427[/snapback]</div>
    Well, I'm crestfallen. I trusted these people when they said Rove was to be indicted, and now we know they LIED to us. I don't know why, but it can't be for the oil, because they have Prius's and don't need much of that. But they LIED. Why, oh why, did they lie to us?



    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tleonhar @ Jun 13 2006, 08:35 AM) [snapback]270504[/snapback]</div>
    I've seen this elsewhere ... but think about it.

    Not being indicted means there isn't even enough evidence to look at the case. OJ, a beloved sports figure, was found not guilty by a jury. But before that, when OJ was still popular and people simply couldn't believe he could do such a thing, a grand jury looked at the evidence and passed through an indictment. In most cases, an indictment is almost a "rubber stamp", and is one of the criticisms of the Grand Jury system, since an indictment can ruin your career and reputation even if you are subsequently found not guilty.

    Rove wasn't even indicted. The people who said he was going to be were LYING. I don't know why they LIED, but they did.
     
    #38 fshagan, Jun 14, 2006
  19. Wildkow

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    So there is no lower standard and yet the prosecutor couldn't even convince them to hand down an indictment. Know what I think? Along the same lines as the National Guard papers I think the Left sold out their own and tried to pin it on Bush, Rove and anyone else in the present adminstration. <_<


    Origin of the Grand Jury System

    Historically, the grand jury has been looked upon as a suitable device for protecting the weak or unpopular from judicial harassment or politically motivated prosecutions. The grand jury is supposed to function as a body of neighbors who aid the state in bringing criminals to justice while protecting the innocent from unjust accusation.[5] However, both the grand jury and the criminal information have ceased to fulfill these original role-obligations and have become increasingly subject to incapacitating manipulation and abuse. All of the major recent studies conclude that the grand jury has become, in effect, a rubber stamp of the prosecutor and not the check on his power that it is required to be.[6]

    Hmmmm, looks like after all these years and the Lefts best efforts to continue thier politically motivated persecutions it finally worked the way the Founding Fathers intended.

    Wildkow :D
     
    #39 Wildkow, Jun 14, 2006
  20. ghostofjk

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    Here is Leopold's last Truthout piece, of yesterday, before today's announcement:

    Sealed vs. Sealed
    By Jason Leopold
    t r u t h o u t | Report

    Monday 12 June 2006

    Four weeks ago, during the time when we reported that White House political adviser Karl Rove was indicted for crimes related to his role in the leak of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson, the grand jury empanelled in the case returned an indictment that was filed under seal in US District Court for the District of Columbia under the curious heading of Sealed vs. Sealed.

    As of Friday afternoon that indictment, returned by the grand jury the week of May 10th, remains under seal - more than a month after it was handed up by the grand jury.

    The case number is "06 cr 128." On the federal court's electronic database, "06 cr 128" is listed along with a succinct summary: "No further information is available."

    We have not seen the contents of the indictment "06 cr 128". But the fact that this indictment was returned by the grand jury hearing evidence in the CIA leak case on a day that Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald met with the grand jury raised a number of questions about the identity of the defendant named in the indictment, whether it relates to the leak case, and why it has been under seal for a month under the heading Sealed vs. Sealed.

    True, the grand jury in the CIA leak case also meets to hear evidence on other federal criminal cases, including at least one other high-profile case - crimes related to the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal.

    The lead prosecutor on the Abramoff case is Peter Zeidenberg, who has worked alongside Patrick Fitzgerald in the CIA leak investigation for more than two years and has spent a considerable amount of time investigating Karl Rove's role in the leak. Zeidenberg is currently prosecuting David Safavian, who is on trial in US District Court, charged with obstruction and lying about his contacts with Abramoff.

    Still, legal experts watching the Plame-Wilson investigation have been paying particularly close attention to Sealed vs. Sealed since the Karl Rove indictment story was published.

    The legal scholars have said that a federal prosecutor can keep an indictment under seal for weeks or months - something that is commonplace in high-profile criminal cases - especially if an investigation, such as the CIA leak probe, is ongoing.

    When told about the Sealed vs. Sealed indictment filed in US District Court, the legal experts became intrigued about the case because they say that most federal criminal indictments are filed under US vs. Sealed and that they rarely come across federal criminal indictments titled Sealed vs. Sealed, which to them suggests the prosecutor felt it necessary to add an extra layer of secrecy to an indictment to keep it out of public view.

    "The question here is that nobody who I have spoken to - top criminal attorneys, law professors, etc. - is aware of the left part of the case title having been sealed," said one former federal criminal attorney. "That the right-hand side is sealed is almost pro-forma. But, what is not known is whether the US Attorney can seal the left hand part of the case title on his own."

    The fact that the indictment has been under seal for more than a month also suggests that it involves a high-profile investigation, he said.

    Additionally, it's entirely plausible for a federal prosecutor to obtain permission from a federal magistrate or a judge, have an indictment unsealed for the limited purpose of having parts of it read to a defendant and his or her attorneys in an attempt to have the defendant cooperate with an investigation to avoid facing further charges, legal experts said.

    [end of Truthout piece]

    My confidence in Leopold---and, to a lesser extent, Truthout---has been dented. I apologize for reproducing his "Rove indictment" piece as if it were "news".

    This does not mean, of course, that the White House did not orchestrate the outing of Valerie Plame. It means only that Rove, unlike his counterpart Libby, escaped indictment. The story is yet to unfold. And Novak is yet to be heard from.
     
    #40 ghostofjk, Jun 14, 2006
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