kWH readings upon charging

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  1. Tim R

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    When recharging my Prime, I regularly get between 5 and 6 kWH for a full charge, when I'm at 0 miles or near 0 miles of EV range. But its an 8.8 kWH battery. Anyone know why?
     
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    Battery longevity is achieved by never operating at extremes.

    For Prius PHV, that means "full" is actually 85% and "empty" is 23% for usable EV capacity.

    I'm not sure what the range is for Prime, since my delivery wait is not over yet...
     
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    As John said, 0 miles is not zero State of Charge and full charge is not 100% SOC, there are buffers both sides.
    If we take EPA official scores we can have an idea of the usable portion of the battery charge: on the test the prime moved 25 miles EV while consuming (from wall) 25.3 kWh per 100 miles (EPA rounded it to 25), so, 25*25.3/100=~6.3 kWh from the wall.
    There are charging losses, actual charge into the battery will depend on those losses, example: if charging losses are 15% then 6.3*0.85=~5.3 kWh accumulated in the battery.
     
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    This is exactly right, but it also implies that the Prime average about 212 Wh/mile over the 5 cycle EPA test.

    I know that the Prime is an exercise in efficiency, but I have trouble accepting it is *that* efficient. Even 225 Wh/mile is amazing.
     
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    If the 212 Wh/mile you mention is 'from battery' after 15% charging losses, please bear in mind that Toyota claimed they have improved charging efficiency with the Prime (to 90%?) so it could be 0.253*0.9=0.228 Wh/mile from battery in the EPA 5 cycle test.
     
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    The Prime is also a hybrid, so it needs to also save charge in the battery for hybrid mode in addition to having buffers for longevity.
    Published EPA ratings are from the wall, so include charging losses.
     
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    In the case of the EPA -- assumed charging losses
     
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    Yep. Do you happen to know if they assume worse case?
     
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    I've been told that they use a generic L2 charger. I vaguely recall 13% charging losses. Sorry I cannot be more certain.
     
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    L2 would be about best case. L1 is generally worse in terms of charging efficiency.
     
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